no they don't exist anywhere else. Let's say I have an "eminem" playlist in my "albums" playlist. all the tracks in the "eminem" playlist are off the "the eminiem show" album. I want to add the "8 mile Soundtrack" playlist under the "eminem" playlist and now I want to create a new playlist under the "eminem" playlist called "the eminem show" When I make the new playlist and drag all the tunes into the "the eminem show" playlist they permanently disappear.