I like this:

"The Missing Key"


DiGNAN

Or perhaps this is more appropriate for this forum:



DiGNAN

Okay okay, but remember, DiGNAN17 started it, not me :-)

FLAME ME NOW :)




btw, personally i think all kinds of Mac's are only for Women

KILL ME NOW :)

I won't even go there (but personally I wouldn't want one) :)
Nice cartoons today!

Laura

I live to launch.

Ha !
I knew that the first comment would come from Laura :-)

Just be sure that my Girlfriend would rip my head off for that picture :)


And my ANTI-Mac Statements are mostly because i have to program on a G4, whether my PC is for playing around :)

But i loved this cartoon so much, i had to post it anyways ...

Nils

P.S. Please Laura, clear up my speech barrier/stupidity/ignorance ...
What does "I live to launch" mean as a motto ( i really have no idea, if i translate it it just sounds ... strange )

Well, you're fairly safe around here, considering the only female on this whole board (that I can think of) has already responded.

And quickly, I might add!

DiGNAN

But i loved this cartoon so much, i had to post it anyways ...

Actually, the one you linked was actually a modification of the original one. The original one didn't say anything about men or women, it just made the connection between the fact that the iron and the imac looked nearly identical. It simply showed the two pictures and had the caption "separated at birth?" above them.

The funny thing is, when that original graphic came out, the photos were taken directly from the front pages of the manufacturer's web sites and were not retouched at all, not even color-corrected. You could switch back and forth between apple.com and rowenta.com and see the effect for yourself.

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Tony Fabris

I like this one too.
http://www.millionjokes.com/Funny_Pictures/399.jpg

All programmers out there: can you identify the infinite loop in this picture?

DiGNAN

how about this one ? imac rulez ;-)

Hmm, what can that be? :) To answer what "I live to launch" means, launching out of the starting box at a drag strip or just very fast take offs when the stop light turns green. It's a blast to do and yeah I finally got to take the Nova to the local drag strip to see what it can do. Now I have a few minor repairs to do since I blew out the header gaskets and I want to adjust the shift point of the automatic tranny. But to tell the truth, I have been know to pick up an iron on occasion and use it but only when I have to.

Laura

I live to launch.

Ah yes, the iBrator.

There's an actual movie of that, a take-off of the original iMac commercial featuring the Rolling Stones song with the lyric "she comes in colors everywhere".

Sorta gives new meaning to the lyric, if yaknowhatimean.

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Tony Fabris

I'm in the Blue Oval camp, but my love for 'American Muscle' in general definitely overrides my brand loyalty.

What kind of numbers are ya pulling?

What does "I live to launch" mean as a motto

Laura's hobby is drag racing -- a contest of acceleration between two automobiles.

"Launch" refers to the initial acceleration from a standing start at the beginning of the race.

Some of the machinery used in drag racing is pretty fantastic. When you get to the top of the food chain, so to speak, you are talking about AA-Fuel dragsters and Funny Cars that run nitro-methane for fuel and generate more than 6,000 horsepower from a single V-8 engine of seven or eight liters displacement. The engines are overhauled between each run in a time-frame of less than an hour. These cars are reaching speeds of more than 500 kilometers per hour accelerating from a standing start in four hundred meters, taking about four and a half seconds to complete the race. (For Americans... that's more than 300 MPH in 1/4 mile and an engine displacing 450-500 cubic inches...)

Viewing it as competition doesn't excite me much, but I love the machinery involved!

Did I get it right, Laura?

tanstaafl.

"There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch"

There was a really fantastic article in Road and Track a couple months back about drag racing. They compared a whole slew of vehicles in quarter-mile tests, everything from slightly-modified stock vehicles all the way up to Top Fuel. They also got into the intricacies of how these cars (and one motorcycle) turn energy into acceleration, and it was very fascinating. Some of the numbers produced by the top-fuelers were staggering in comparison to real-world vehicles. Did anyone catch that article?

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Tony Fabris

Sounds to me like you got it right. I certainly am not pulling numbers like that and never will in the car I am running. The best I have done in the 1/4 mile was 14.84 which was about 93MPH. I hope to do a little better than that the next time but without overhauling my new engine I don't think I will get much better than the mid 14's or maybe lower 14's but I am fine with that. I wanted a car that could be either a daily driver or taken to the track. I guess I have always gotten a thrill out of launching quicker at a traffic light than the driver next to me. That is why I seem to go through transmissions on whatever car I have driven. Now I have a car that can take the way I want to drive it :)

Laura

I live to launch.

It's not really the fastest car that wins in drag racing. It is a matter of being consistent. For the races you have to dial-in what you think your car will run and be as close to those #'s as you can. You also need a very good reaction time getting out of the box. Hopefully later this summer I will be ready to run in some trophy classes and next year go out for some money. I really impressed the neighbor of my boyfriend, who has been racing for many years and took the time to teach me how to stage the car and give me pointers, how consistent I was especially being my first time at the track. Maybe I have a future as a driver.

Laura

I live to launch.

Have you seen "Back to the future" Part III (I think it was Part III) and do you remember the traffic-light launch? Hopefully it won't happen to you!

Whooo... I had a similar problem with my motorcycle... good acceleration... but some car drivers seem to be blind... After that I found myself in the hospital... Luckily only with a broken leg and cut-trought muscle...

TeeMcBee

Good luck on that!

TeeMcBee

This got me curious, so I tried a standing quarter-mile in the uber-ugly kit
car on the way back from shopping a little earlier. 17.31 seconds and 86 MPH,
not too impressive. Mind you, it was in the wet, and the wheels kept slipping in first and second gear. I'll have to try it on a dry day...

Thinking about it, the road I used is on a very slight hill as well, which
wouldn't have helped. Oh well. Once we get the 210BHP 24v 2.9L V6 engine in
instead of the ancient 2.8L V6 it has at the moment the acceleration should
go up.

Back to empeg hardware design.

Patrick.

Opinions expressed in this email may contain up to 42% water by weight, and are mine. All mine.

t's not really the fastest car that wins in drag racing. It is a matter of being consistent.

You're talking about bracket racing where each participant has a self-defined handicap. The cars line up side by side at the start, but they do not start together. Depending on the disparity of the handicap between the two cars, one car might get the green light as much as five or even ten seconds before the other. The consistency part is that if each car were to get a perfect start and run exactly at the handicap, or bracket speed, they would finish in a dead heat. If a car goes faster than the bracket speed, it is disqualified. It takes nerves of steel to watch your competitor take off while you wait for your light to go green, and then patiently avoid exceeding your bracket speed all the way to the end.

In "normal" (i.e., non-bracket) racing, it's "run what you brung" with various classes set up limiting what is allowed in terms of displacement, fuel, weight, tire size, supercharger, etc., and let the best man win. Both cars start together, first one to the end wins.

I've never cared much for bracket racing (isn't it primarily IHRA that sanctions that, and NHRA that does more of the "head to head" racing?) but that's just me. As I mentioned before, it isn't the competition that gets me excited in drag racing, but the machinery itself. Why bother to run some flat-out balls-to-the-wall high-tech super-car when you're just gonna get beat by some nice lady in a clapped out Nova with a really great stereo who Lives to Launch and is very consistant.

tanstaafl.



"There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch"

Doug, I think what Laura meant is that having a driver who can shift and clutch well, and who can do this consistently, will do more for the car's quarter-mile times than a few extra horsepower would.

As Chuck Yeager likes to say, "It's not the machine, it's the man."

Or in this case, Woman...

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Tony Fabris

Doug, I think what Laura meant is that having a driver who can shift and clutch well, and who can do this consistently, will do more for the car's quarter-mile times than a few extra horsepower would.

Nope. She's talking about bracket racing. (For the races you have to dial-in what you think your car will run and be as close to those #'s as you can.) Also, Laura runs an automatic transmission in her Nova. (...I want to adjust the shift point of the automatic tranny.)

As Chuck Yeager likes to say, "It's not the machine, it's the man." And Chuck Yeager obviously never went drag racing! In the top classes, the drivers don't shift at all -- they run the full quarater mile in one gear. They don't even clutch -- the clutch engagement is automatic, but not the way you'd think. The clutch consists of a multi-disk clutch pack that engages progressively through very complex mechanical/pneumatic linkages (electronics not allowed in top fuel and funny car) so the credit for a good start goes both to the driver who starts the clutch engagement the instant the light goes green, and just as much to the crew chief who sets the clutch up to get exactly the right amount of wheelspin for the entire length of the track: too much and you're up in smoke, too little and you're giving up acceleration. The clutch setup will vary depending on the temperature, the humidity, the track surface (which is likely to be different out of the "box" than further down the track) and even how many cars have run before you thus laying down rubber (or, worse, oil) and changing the traction characteristics of the track.

This is why guys like John Force spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to build a top of the line drag racer. For something that appears as brutally simple as a Funny Car, there are an astounding number of variables involved in setting it up for competition, in the end it really is the machine, not the man that wins the race. (OK, assuming some parity in driving skill. Take the 16 qualifiers in a national meet, and there's a good chance the slowest qualifier would win the meet if he could take over the fastest qualifier's car.)

That's not to say there is not considerable skill involved. Imagine driving a top fuel car at 300 miles per hour with steering that is less than one turn lock to lock and so much noise and vibration that your vision is blurred, having to stay within a 40 foot wide lane, ready to lift and then re-apply throttle instantly should the rear wheels break loose... and in the bracket clases, having to nail your starts exactly, not panic when your competitor starts out three seconds ahead of you, shift at precisely the same RPM each time and re-apply the clutch exactly the same (all pretty much as you described above, actually...)

Am I boring people with these discourses on drag racing? Probably most of you know all this stuff already... but since it's one of the few topics I know anything about, I like to talk about it. Say the word and I'll shut up and go away....

tanstaafl.





"There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch"

I hadn't caught that point where Laura said she wanted to adjust the shift point in the automatic tranny. And I didn't realize that the Top Fuelers only ran in one gear. Sorry. I'll shut up now.

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Tony Fabris

They have so much power that they don't need more than one gear. But because they have so much power (there is no dyno in the world that can measure the power output from those things, so it's a mystery how much power they really make)... -- because of all that power, hence special clutches designed to slip all the way through the race, kind of a controlled slip to maximize traction...

Calvin

Well tonight I got the header gasket replaced that I had blown racing the car last week. This weekend we will be putting in a new vacuum modulator to change the shift point from 4000RPMs to 5000RPMs which should knock off some time when I run it next week. Right now since I am only running the car on Tune and Test nights we run the cars side by side. I won one heat last week because of being faster and one heat because the other guy red lighted his car which I haven't done yet. I also have a couple of people going with me to run against me which should be fun. Serious bracket racers spend big big bucks which I do not have so I am doing it more for the fun and joy of it for now. Maybe next year I will get serious and go for the money. Right now I have no stereo or speakers in the car. I just listen to the music of the engine which is better now that the gasket has been replaced. No more clicking noises. I hope to in the near future be able to start on the sound system but it will depend on the job I end up with and how fast I get out of debt because of the car. I enjoy reading about drag racing and talking about it as if you couldn't tell :) I do want an empeg in the Nova someday.

Laura

I live to launch.

Doesn't that the automatic gear shift do for most of you americans?

What is the reason why most american cars have automatic gear shift? It's much more fun to shift the gear at the time you want it. And it's really fast, too (Maybe not quite as fast as the new register-shift or a motorcycle's gear shift)

TeeMcBee
Reg#948 - already ordered a Mk2.

Automatics are better in heavy traffic or maybe we are just lazy. I am finally learning how to drive a standard pickup truck and I do have a motorcycle license so I do know how to shift. I gave up the bike because it was too dangerous and I never could get it on the center stand :) Drag racing is much safer. You can get shift kits to manually shift an automatic which I might do some day.

Laura

I live to launch.

Yes, motorcycling IS dangerous (had a look at a previous post of me?).
But it is really fun. It's like a fever. Once you got it you get never rid of it.

And launching with a motorcycle is NICCEE!! That's acceleration. There's a motorcycle - it's the Suzuki GSX-R 1300 (also called Hayabusa) - Have you already heared? It has something about 240 kg and 176 HP.
I don't exactly know - but it's acceleration from 0 - 200 is something about 8 or 9 seconds (correct me if I'm wrong). It's top speed is something > 325 km/h (should be something like 203 mph)...

I'd like to ride it one time

TeeMcBee
Reg#948 - already ordered a Mk2.

That is pretty darn fast but it would be hard to find a place where you could accelerate like that around here. I haven't heard of or seen that bike yet. I have been puttering around on a Honda 70 lately. It doesn't go much above 45MPH and if I drop it I can pick it up and my feet are flat on the ground at a stop. I'll stick with that one, it's pretty safe for a bike.

Laura

I live to launch.

You can take a look at it here.

Pulling a motorcycle at the center-stand is more depending on the technique than on the man(woman


TeeMcBee
Reg#948 - already ordered a Mk2.

I can hit 60 in 4.2 seconds in my Scooby. The reason is AWD! Nothing like putting 310BHP to all four wheels at the lights. No wheelspin = serious acceleration ;)

I'm up to 30 in about 2.5 seconds, then 60 arrives shortly after and after about 12 seconds I'm doing 100MPH. You can see that the Scoob is made for 0-60's and not quarter mile times. My gearing is too low.

M

And how do you manage steering then?

In many european states you are fined when cell-phoning and driving.
Even though I drive most time with only one hand on the steering wheel cause it feels more comfortable.

TeeMcBee
Reg#948 - already ordered a Mk2.

And how do you manage steering then?

Why, with your knees of course!

DiGNAN
13653

I think you can't compare motorcycles to cars. Just take a look at the relation power/weight.

At the Hayabusa its 176 HP for 230 kg (dry weight is 216 - so add fuel and oil) and your car is 310 HP for >1000kg (don't know the weight of your car... maybe something like 1500 or more if it's a AWD)

TeeMcBee
Reg#948 - already ordered a Mk2.

Oh... I forgot that your streets are mostly straight. We have more dead man's curves here than straits. (That's the real reason why motorcycling is so much fun here by the way). You would get in trouble turning around the steering wheel 2 times with you knees


TeeMcBee
Reg#948 - already ordered a Mk2.

Suprisingly, my Odyssey is a V6 200HP, weighs 4200lb, and I get 60 in 8-9 sec. Not bad for a minivan.

DiGNAN
13653

Yes that's very true! But the other thing you have to consider is that there's no way in the world the Hayabuse can put _all_ it's power down from the line. It's gonna take at least a second or two before the rider can really wind it back! If he tried the damn thing would just somersault!!

Anyway, that said, there's no way _any_ road car could stand up to any half decent sports bike! However, if I had the choice I wouldn't take a Hayabusa - I'd have a Yamaha R1 :)

M

Actually, here in VA we've got a suprising amount of curves. The road right outside my neighborhood has really bad curves further up, and I'd say about 3000 people take it all 20 miles to work everyday (and it's only 2 lanes).

Although I imagine it would be pretty hard to steer on all those crazy traffic circles you guys have over there.

DiGNAN
13653

Yep - the R1 is very nice, too. I drove it once. I don't know why but i'd prefer the Honda CBR-900 RR Fireblade. It feels mostly comfortable.

But I'm not really sure if I should buy a motorcycle again. Not because I'm afraid of driving it but I'm afraid of the car-drivers. I often had to brake very hard because of a car driver's fault. Some of them don't really know that there are others on the street, too. That was the reason why I crashed my bike.

I think it's just a matter of time till something like that happens again. Well - I'll see.

TeeMcBee
Reg#948 - already ordered a Mk2.

Hmm - Sorry I don't really know how to convert lb in kg.... (If I could I'd have given all data in lb and kg of course..)

TeeMcBee
Reg#948 - already ordered a Mk2.

..to work everyday (and it's only 2 lanes)

It's only 2 lanes??? Most of the streets here are only 2 lanes!!!

Once I was in Florida/Naples. I had a nice ride from Naples (West) to Miami (East) on the highway. The distance was about 160 miles - as far as I can remember. And there were only 2 curves!!!

TeeMcBee
Reg#948 - already ordered a Mk2.

Hehe, well that's Florida for you. No mountains. I, on the other hand, live in an area that is about 1 mile from the Patomac River (and about 2 miles from CIA headquarters), which make the surrounding roads rather hilly. Virginia also has part of the Appalachians in it.


DiGNAN
13653

Any bloody American will tell you you're supposed to use your knees to steer..
-m

...proud to have owned one of the first Mark I units

American cars use predominately automatic transmissions because we're all lazy.
A modified auto trans will shift faster than a manual and they shift hard.
You can control the shift point with the gas pedal or manually shift through the gears.

Alan

http://www.geocities.com/renejeddore/photos/redcliff2000/index0005.htm

Third last picture on the page.

(Amongst the wet t-shirts )

#170... I got my order invite and I have ordered my 12 gig blue!!! YAAAAHHHHOOOOOOO

I personally prefer the Honda RC51 to either the Suzuki or the Yamaha. Being in Arizona gives you awesome driving weather about 250 days out of the year, and we have some absolutely amazing roads/curves/scenery to putz through.

The nice thing about the Empeg, is you can yank it out prior to a launch so you can shave 0.0001 seconds off your ET due to weight reduction.. ;) hehe!

I heard some of the real serious crazies go on diets to further reduce weight!

Calvin

I've been thinking of yanking out my AC since it doesn't work and would drop the weight of the car by about 100 lbs. I also pull the spare out of the trunk and anything else in the car besides myself :) Maybe I will try a diet next!

Laura

I live to launch.

In reply to:
"The nice thing about the Empeg, is you can yank it out prior to a launch so you can shave 0.0001 seconds off your ET due to weight reduction"

Why? You can still hear the music till about 4000rpm..

Alan

That would depend on if you are running with your windows up or down and how "hot" and healthy sounding your motor is.

Laura

I live to launch.

...and generate more than 6,000 horsepower...

Correction -- I found out the top fuel cars are making between 8,000 and 9,000 horsepower. Unbelievable!

tanstaafl.

"There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch"

I found out the top fuel cars are making between 8,000 and 9,000 horsepower. Unbelievable!

And unprovable, too. According to the R&T article I read, they don't make dynos big enough to measure that. Those are extrapolations- educated guesses based on external observations and number crunching. They're not real measurements.

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Tony Fabris

I almost owned one of these bikes. At this years E3, they had a Quake 3 contest for that bike. And because it wasn't announced, none of the super Quake players were around to easially win it. But unfortunatly I played like crap, but a friend got real close to getting it. It was nice to see the bike up close though.

I almost owned one of these bikes. At this years E3, they had a Quake 3 contest for that bike. And because it wasn't announced, none of the super Quake players were around to easially win it. But unfortunatly I played like crap, but a friend got real close to getting it. It was nice to see the bike up close though.

What exactly is the Honda RC51? Any links?

The weather isn't too nice to ride this year where I live.
But since I don't have a motorcycle any more I don't care too much about it
Well I even didn't care about the weather as I had a motorcycle. The lowest temperature I drove at was about -10 degrees celsius (Sorry don't know how much that is in Fahrenheit).

TeeMcBee
Reg#948 - already ordered a Mk2.

You can see the RC51 at http://www.rc51.net - there are a few pics under the 'Features' Section. It is a V-Twin, designed from the ground up to be a Ducati killer. Honda did a really good job with this one (like they do with all their bikes).

RC51 is nice, but the 929 is better!!! IMHO of course...

- Jon

That would be +14 degrees Fahrenheit. F = 9/5C +32 or... C=5/9(F-32) Remember these formulas, Tee -- there will be a pop quiz next week.

But I've got you way beat. Coldest I ever rode (on a BMW R26, a 250cc single cylinder bike) was minus 68 Fahrenheit, or minus 55.5 degrees Celsius.

I regularly ride my bicycle at temperatures down to minus forty degrees (same both Fahrenheit and Celsius, but you probably already knew that...)

tanstaafl.



"There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch"

There are ways to estimate horsepower for standard street cars by looking at the ET and the trap speed and working backwards. The formula will give you a estimated horsepower at the wheels, and then using back of the envelope guestimation to get the drivetrain and fluidic losses, you can work out the horsepower generated at the crank. However, those formulas don't apply to top fuel cars because their drive train is designed to slip continuously all the way down the track. That means you can estimate a horsepower number to the wheels, however, the actual power generated at the crank is completely unknown because most of that power is simply converted to heat as the clutch packs slip and burn away.

Calvin

Where are you living at??!? That is very low temperature!! (Or is the formula you have wrong?)
Hard to believe that you drove at such temperatures! I was totally freezing at minus 10 degrees celsius.

TeeMcBee
Reg#948 - already ordered a Mk2.

The racers among us would love to drive at such low temperatures. It would be awesome to build a drag strip where it's that cold. The air density and temperature is just perfect for crazy hiked up forced induction runs.

Calvin

Might be a slight ;) traction problem at that temperature if its not snowing by then.


Alex Lear

At those temperatures the snow and ice is so cold that it isn't slippery anymore. :|

Reg_2845 Mark 1 #00173, Mark 2 on order.

I don't believe this. Just think to some documentations. Penguins walking on ice and slipping around..

TeeMcBee
Reg#948 - already ordered a Mk2.

Liufeng is right about the snow and ice not being slippery anymore at those temperatures however just to educate, snow and ice has a lower coefficient of friction to the rubber tire than the road does.


Alex Lear

Where are you living at?

Fairbanks, Alaska.

Or is the formula you have wrong?

Nope. Formula is right.

I was totally freezing at minus 10 degrees celsius.

You have to dress for it. I imagine that we are better prepared in Alaska than you might be down there in wine country... Oh, wait a minute, I just assumed you were living in France because you are driving a Peugeot, and I can't imagine anybody from any other country in the world inflicting that upon themselves... Am I wrong?

Anyway, at those temperatures, you leave no skin exposed anywhere, and dress in enough layers to reduce wind chill but still allow enough breathability for perspiration to escape. The hard part is keeping the bike running (either motorcycle or bicycle) An air-cooled engine is most unhappy at those temperatures -- the cylinders and cylinder heads over-cool, causing the excessively rich fuel mixtures (required by the dense air) to condense on the cylinder walls, diluting the oil and eventually ruining the engine. On bicycles, you have to remove every trace of lubricant from all cables and derailleurs, and from the freewheel (else it freewheels in both directions!) and replace the grease in the wheel bearings and crankset with the lightest synthetic grease you can find. Even so, the rolling resistance increases dramatically (the tires do not flex well at that temperature) and the riding effort for a given speed is probably more than doubled.

(From Liufeng's post...) At those temperatures the snow and ice is so cold that it isn't slippery anymore.

What I think Tom meant to say here is that it isn't AS slippery anymore -- but as the tires get colder, so does their coefficient of friction, so you still slip and slide, just not as much as you would at 25 above zero (about -4 degrees Celsius). Of course the ice fog at those temperatures is so thick that nobody drives fast enough for it to matter much in any case...

You don't have to be crazy to live here.... but it sure helps.

tanstaafl.




"There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch"

Brrr.. Really pretty cold there.

You have to dress for it. I imagine that we are better prepared in Alaska than you might be down there in wine country... Oh, wait a
minute, I just assumed you were living in France because you are driving a Peugeot, and I can't imagine anybody from any other
country in the world inflicting that upon themselves... Am I wrong?

I'm not living in France.I just like the shape of the car. (Take a look here if you want to know how it looks.) I think Pinifarina (who designes for Ferrari, too) had something to do with the design of the 406 and 406 Coupé.
And it has a good relationship between price and what you get for that price. (Although I think that it's not your main point of interest if some cars have air-condition included or not )


TeeMcBee
Go my Mk2! # 080000143

Slipperyness is caused by the heat or pressure on ice, this results in the contact points on the ice and whatever material melting. So what happens is a thin layer of water forms between the tires and the ice and this causes the slipping. If the temperature is low enough then it'll take greater and greater amounts of pressure to melt the contact point :).

Calvin

Traction? Not a problem. What you need to drive is a 300hp all wheel drive sports car like my aquaintence Shawn:

http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/HobbyCt/awdturbo/GGBridge.html

Ice, snow? no problem...

Calvin

I'm not living in France.

So where are you, Tee? They don't sell Peugeots in the U.S., so I am guessing it's somewhere in Europe. (You left your "Location" field blank in the user profile of the bbs)

I just like the shape of the car.

I have to admit that the 406 station wagon is a nice looking car. (The others are pretty average looking, IMHO) Didn't you say somewhere that you are driving a Peugeot Limousine? What is it like? That website appears to be broken, BTW -- it comes up all right, but without scroll bars so all I can do is look at part of the one page.

Although I think that it's not your main point of interest if some cars have air-condition included or not

Actually, you'd be suprised, it gets quite warm here in the summertime -- temperatures as high as the mid to high 90's Fahrenheit (say 35 degrees C) and I am getting ready to spend some significant money to repair my air conditioning now. (Blew a seal on my compressor two weeks ago.)

tanstaafl.



"There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch"

Wow! those are peugot's? Wow! They've really changed those designs alot!

By the way, when I visited Europe, I saw alot of Peugot's in Britain as well as France (just fewer of them).

But none of the ones I saw looked like that.

DiGNAN
13653

So where are you, Tee? They don't sell Peugeots in the U.S., so I am guessing it's somewhere in Europe. (You left your "Location" field blank in the user profile of the bbs)

Yep - I'm in Europe. Is that exactly enough?

I have to admit that the 406 station wagon is a nice looking car. (The others are pretty average looking, IMHO) Didn't you say somewhere that you are driving a Peugeot Limousine? What is it like? That website appears to be broken, BTW -- it comes up all right, but without scroll bars so all I can do is look at part of the one page.

Hmmm... then try to go to the main page of peugeot and follow the links..

TeeMcBee
Got my Mk2! # 080000143

Hmmm... then try to go to the main page of peugeot and follow the links..

I'd follow them...if I spoke French

DiGNAN
13653

Okay, dope-slap time. I didn't see the "English Version" link at the top. Duh

DiGNAN
13653

Hehe, look at the ad for their concept SUV, the "Escapade". I like the blurb that says "in the wild west, where the buffalo roam". Funny, considering they don't even sell in the states. (unless they have buffalo in western Europe)

DiGNAN
13653

You are such a wagon guy!

Calvin

You are such a wagon guy!

You are correct. The first station wagon I ever had happened because the piece-of-junk Plymouth Horizon I was driving caught fire and burned right down to the wheels -- tires and all. Only place still open that night that had any used cars for sale was the local Ford dealer, only car they had in my price range (<$2500) was a Chevy Cavalier wagon. I didn't even test drive it -- just counted the wheels (it had all four) and wrote the man a check and drove it home.

The thing turned out to be so incredibly handy, with four doors and all that room in the back, that I've never owned any other kind of car since.

Besides, I think the Taurus wagon looks kinda neat! Police never give it a second glance, even when being driven at extralegal speeds. No self-respecting thief would ever steal one, and nobody would ever think to break into one looking to steal a hot stereo.

Audi has a new wagon out that I'd like, too...

tanstaafl.

"There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch"

I have a '94 Grand Prix that I think is invisible to cops. Its like they look right through it looking for speeders. Of course, I don't think other drivers can see it either, considering how many people try to merge into me.

I agree! I happen to love minivans, actually, which is odd for a 20 year old!

I just love all that room and plenty of people+cargo capacity. I can carry 7 people (6 others) and all their luggage and do it comfortably. I love it!

And my new one is fantastic. I've got a Honda Odyssey and woah boy does it zip!

I like wagons too, though, but I never had one and neither did my parents (actually, at two separate times my dad has owned a used Mercedes and a pinto -- so he's been all over the spectrum! ).

DiGNAN
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Heh, there are quite a few of those over here, along with a number of ZX12-R's and a number of Honda SP-1's...
Shame the maximum island speed limit is 35 miles an hour... =)

(For the record, my mate has a GSXR 750 with about 140 bhp (120 at the back wheel) from a standard 750cc engine, does about 170mph and 0-60 in sub 3 seconds... =)

Jazz
(List 112, Mk2 12 gig #40. Mk1 4 gig #30. Mk3 1.6 16v)

I agree putting all the power down is a bit difficult, however there are ways to make it easier...
My mate had a bandit 1200, which for 'environmental' reasons had it's power slightly reduced in 1st and 2nd gear (Apparently), and the GSXR 750 does 70mph in 1st gear, with the main kick of power coming in at 40-50mph, so not such a big problem... =)

Jazz
(List 112, Mk2 12 gig #40. Mk1 4 gig #30. Mk3 1.6 16v)

Mitsubishi Eclipse!! That's a wussy car! :) Get a proper car like mine! :) http://www.macdude.co.uk/

M

But I don't have an Eclipse, must have me confused with somebody else... =)

Jazz
(List 112, Mk2 12 gig #40. Mk1 4 gig #30. Mk3 1.6 16v)

Get a proper car like mine! :) http://www.macdude.co.uk/

Are you saying that you got a domain name for the sole purpose of posting 4 pictures of your car (one which is broken)?

DiGNAN
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Errr, where in my post did I say that? Ohh, and it does work - there's something wrong my service provider. You have to right click and hit load image! :) Weird. Those pics are up there temporarily cos so many people ask for a look. It's easier that way :)

I will be developing something much more interesting when time allows - trouble is, Internet development is my day job too so going home and doing more can be a little tedious.

M

It's an expression. I was just suprised that you had a domain name for four pictures. But I suppose I understand.

DiGNAN
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Wagons are nice... my Ex has a 94 Taurus Wagon. What year is yours? I like the bubble space capsule look a little better imho. The 94 year was a little more on the traditional station wagon side.

Calvin

Here are 4 pictures of my Eclipse to up the ante a little. My car doesn't have an air scoop but it does have a muscle bump, so beat that buddy!

Calvin "showing off..."

Bump on the hood? My Eclipse is just mighty glad to see ya...

Calvin

My friends and I call that the "tumor"

DiGNAN
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Why is your car wearing a bra? ;) Does it have drop forged wheels for extra strength, fully adjustable suspension made by Leda, fully programmable ECU - that includes fuel, ignition maps, and boost profile? Nahhh, didn't think so! :) Ohhh, and what's your cars competition pedigree! Subaru are leading the World Rally Championship right now ;) How about beating that? Or even 4.2 seconds from 0-60! AWD rocks.

M

My suspension is fully adjustable. I'd have to say you got me on all the other points. My car is wearing a bra because it's female, of course! Duh...

Calvin

She certanily is a beauty!! ROTFLMAO

M