#204859 - 16/02/2004 12:20
Firefox wishes...
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31597
Loc: Seattle, WA
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Okay, I'm really enjoying Firefox. It's got some great features, and I've become addicted to tabbed browsing. I can get all new BBS posts loaded up and skimmed in half the time it takes me to do a similar pass in IE.
It's got a lot of advantages over IE, namely:
- Doesn't crash nearly as much as IE.
- When a link uses the "#" symbol to link a point later in the page (like the BBS does for new posts in flat mode), opening a new window with the Shift or Ctrl key properly scrolls down to that post. In IE, this only works if you say "open in new window from the rightclick", it won't scroll if you use the shift key.
- Fast. When loading up tabbed browsing pages in the background, it doesn't seem to slow down the foreground window.
- No popups.
- Cleaner user interface. Configuration screen is simple and clear.
- One button in its UI cleans all your cache, history, and cookies.
However, I still find myself needing to go back to IE for a few things. I'd like to figure out how to get these things working in Firefox, does anyone have any tips?
- Java applets won't play. I've reinstalled the Sun JRE about a dozen times attempting to get java to work on this thing and it still won't.
- In IE, I had a registry tweak which allowed for me to type a bunch of words (with spaces between them) into the URL bar and it would do a google search on those words. This works in Firefox by default, except that it does an I'm-feeling-lucky and opens the first page. I want it to give me the full google search result instead of I'm-feeling-lucky. (Yes, I know there's a separate bar for google search in Firefox. I prefer the UI all cleaned up so that I *just* have the URL bar.)
- I can use IE as an FTP client that can upload and modify files on the server. I can even make a link to my favorite FTP sites as "ftp://username: [email protected]". When I try to do this in Firefox, it says something like "Operation not supported".
- There is a registry tweak to make new instances of IE run in a separate memory space so that crashing one doesn't bring down all of my IE windows. Is there a similar setting for Firefox?
- http://texturizer.net/firefox/extensions/ is down. WTF?? There are some things there that I'm pretty sure I want to get. But it's been down ever since FireFox was released. How am I supposed to like Firefox and switch to it if their main support page is down? Guys, you need to plan for capacity with your releases, sheesh...
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#204861 - 16/02/2004 13:15
Re: Firefox wishes...
[Re: tfabris]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
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I had a registry tweak which allowed for me to type a bunch of words (with spaces between them) into the URL bar and it would do a google search on those words Create a bookmark. Doesn't matter what, as you're going to edit all of it. Pull up the properties on the bookmark. I believe you have to go through the bookmark manager to get to this. Change the location to ``http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=%s''. Set the keyword to `g'. Edit the rest of the stuff as you see fit. Close out all the bookmark editing stuff. Now type into the URL bar ``g all the words you want to search for''.
Actually, the UTF-8 part may not work right under Windows. Just do a regular search from Google's front page and replace that stuff with whatever it uses. It should be obvious.
Edited by wfaulk (16/02/2004 13:24)
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#204862 - 16/02/2004 13:19
Re: Firefox wishes...
[Re: wfaulk]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31597
Loc: Seattle, WA
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Interesting workaround, thanks Bitt!
Drakino showed me that the Java fix is a simple one:
REGEDIT4
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\mozilla.org\Mozilla]
"CurrentVersion"="1.5"
Java works now.
Okay, how about FTP?
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#204863 - 16/02/2004 13:24
Re: Firefox wishes...
[Re: tfabris]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 08/06/1999
Posts: 7868
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Java applets won't play. I've reinstalled the Sun JRE about a dozen times attempting to get java to work on this thing and it still won't.
I FAQed Tony via ICQ on this, he installed via ZIP and needed the registry entry.
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#204864 - 16/02/2004 13:30
Re: Firefox wishes...
[Re: tfabris]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31597
Loc: Seattle, WA
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One other thing...
When I install extensions and skins, it does the installation "live" directly via some kind of remote installer process. What if I want to save off those installers so I can put them on another computer without re-downloading them? Is there a procedure for that?
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#204865 - 16/02/2004 13:30
Re: Firefox wishes...
[Re: wfaulk]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 08/06/1999
Posts: 7868
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More info on the Keyword bookmarks in Mozlla and Firefox here
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#204866 - 16/02/2004 13:34
Re: Firefox wishes...
[Re: tfabris]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 08/06/1999
Posts: 7868
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What if I want to save off those installers so I can put them on another computer without re-downloading them? Is there a procedure for that?
Right click, download to disk. The extensions should be a .xpi file that you can later drag and drop onto Firefox to install. Themes, seem to be a jar file and the same trick doesn't work.
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#204867 - 16/02/2004 13:46
Re: Firefox wishes...
[Re: tfabris]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
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I can use IE as an FTP client that can upload and modify files on the server. I can even make a link to my favorite FTP sites as "ftp://username:[email protected]". When I try to do this in Firefox, it says something like "Operation not supported". What gives you that error? Entering that in the URL line? Creating a bookmark? Using the bookmark? Trying to upload something?
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#204868 - 16/02/2004 14:02
Re: Firefox wishes...
[Re: wfaulk]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31597
Loc: Seattle, WA
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Clicking link with that URL is what gives me the error.
I have a right-hand HTML frame that contains commonly-used links, and I have links there that target the left-hand frame.
I just messed with it some more, and only some sites produce an error, sometimes the error is "the document contains no data". The sites which don't give me the error merely browse the site without letting me upload.
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#204869 - 16/02/2004 14:49
Re: Firefox wishes...
[Re: tfabris]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
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Honestly, I don't think that you'll be able to upload at all. I suppose that the client built into IE had more features, but both suck. I wonder if there's some way to associate url types with different programs.
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#204870 - 16/02/2004 15:18
Re: Firefox wishes...
[Re: tfabris]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14493
Loc: Canada
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I dunno about uploading, but the "operation not supported" error is one that you will see if you use a Gecko browser (Mozilla, Firewhatever, ...) to FTP to the Hijack kftpd. Hijack doesn't implement passive FTP, and Gecko implements ONLY passive FTP. An impasse (Hijack is the bad boy here, but has prehistory on its side).
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#204872 - 16/02/2004 21:45
Re: Firefox wishes...
[Re: tfabris]
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veteran
Registered: 21/01/2002
Posts: 1380
Loc: Erie, CO
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Glad you switched, browsing the bbs is much much better with tabs!
Remember that you can middle click (press down your mouse wheel if you have one) to open links in a new tab, even if that link should open a new window. Then you can middle click on the tab to close it. I'd reccomend the TabBrowser Extension, it's great.
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#204874 - 17/02/2004 17:25
Next wish: New window
[Re: tfabris]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31597
Loc: Seattle, WA
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Okay, next wish.
In IE, I was able to make a setting change somewhere which allowed me to create a desktop shortcut to a web page, and double-clicking on that shortcut would open a new instance of IE instead of re-using the existing IE window to open the shortcut.
The option, in the Advanced properties of internet explorer, was called "Reuse windows for launching shortcuts". By unchecking this box, I got the behavior I wanted.
Now, Firefox behaves the way IE did when the box was checked. Is this a setting I can change?
Note: I am aware that I can achieve the same effect by editing the shortcut so it points to "firefox.exe <website>" instead of just pointing to "<website>" by itself. I want to have it work without the need for this edit.
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#204875 - 17/02/2004 17:31
Re: Next wish: New window
[Re: tfabris]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 08/03/2000
Posts: 12338
Loc: Sterling, VA
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Thanks for letting me know about that setting, Tony. I've been wanting to change that behaviour for a long while
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#204876 - 19/02/2004 08:45
Re: Next wish: New window
[Re: Dignan]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31597
Loc: Seattle, WA
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I hope there's a solution in Firefox, because this is quickly going to become a deal-breaker for me. I have other programs which launch shortcuts (such as mail software) which invokes the default browser. If I get an email while I'm browsing the web and click on a link in the email, it kills whatever I had in my browse window in favor of whatever link the person emailed me.
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#204877 - 19/02/2004 08:59
Re: Firefox wishes...
[Re: tfabris]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31597
Loc: Seattle, WA
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Next firefox issue:
Frequent inconsistency and unpredictability in handling of the closing paragraph of blockquotes and indented lists.
Let me say first of all, the original basic HTML-rendering behavior of putting an extra blank space after the closing of a blockquote or a list is stupid. If I wanted a blank line, I would have put a tag there to make it so, don't enforce one one me like that.
But since I know the above behavior is true, then I make sure to format my HTML so that it renders properly. I make sure to expect that blank space after the blockquote/list and work around it.
But Firefox only renders this blank space some of the time, even with identical code. Here is an example from the empeg FAQ:
Note that the HTML code is identical for both:
and if so, remove them.</li></ul>
Here are three excellent documents
(...)
Now turn the player back down before you hurt your ears.</li></ul>
In real life,
I have also seen this happen with the blockquotes used for the <q> tag here on the BBS. Frequently it will happen within the same post: Someone will quote somebody twice in the same post, and it'll render two different ways.
In IE, all instances render consistently and identically with the blank line coming after the close of the indented section.
This is just a really sloppy and irritating bug. And if I recall correctly, this bug has been around since the Netscape days. I can't believe they haven't fixed it after all these years.
Attachments
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#204878 - 19/02/2004 14:48
Re: Next wish: New window
[Re: tfabris]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
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In Re: external links opening new windows: http://texturizer.net/firefox/tips.html#beh_reuse
Also, Tony, try making your posts so that I can quote a snippet for context. There's nothing in your post that actually says what you want, even though I can infer it.
Edited by wfaulk (19/02/2004 14:49)
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#204880 - 19/02/2004 14:54
Re: Firefox wishes...
[Re: tfabris]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
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Huh. I went to the exact same place in the FAQ that you're showing that error and I don't see it. That is, I get a blank line between ``them.'' and ``Here''. Weird. The only thing I can think of is try going back to the default theme. I don't know why that would make any difference, but I don't know why we'd be seeing different things.
Is it consistent for you?
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#204881 - 19/02/2004 14:55
Re: Next wish: New window
[Re: tfabris]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
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They keep hiding stuff it can do, making them only accessible via the various .js files instead of putting them in the config UI. I hate that. Put an advanced switch in there somewhere.
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#204882 - 19/02/2004 14:57
Re: Firefox wishes...
[Re: wfaulk]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31597
Loc: Seattle, WA
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Is it consistent for you? Not completely, no. For instance, if I view the page from the top level and scroll down to that entry, I don't see the problem there. But if I go to just that section, then it shows the problem.
I will try the theme change, thanks.
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#204883 - 19/02/2004 14:59
Re: Firefox wishes...
[Re: tfabris]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31597
Loc: Seattle, WA
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Nope, same problem after I switch themes back to the default.
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#204884 - 19/02/2004 15:09
Re: Next wish: New window
[Re: wfaulk]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31597
Loc: Seattle, WA
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Re: external links opening new windows: http://texturizer.net/firefox/tips.html#beh_reuse Hang on. That site says to add a line to user.js. Only I just searched my entire hard disk for said file and it does not exist. I specifically did a file search for all local hard drives and it's not there.
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#204885 - 19/02/2004 15:10
Re: Next wish: New window
[Re: tfabris]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
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Nice. They're good about documenting it. You'll probably have to create it with just that one line, but I don't remember where it should be, much less under Windows.
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#204886 - 19/02/2004 15:13
Re: Next wish: New window
[Re: wfaulk]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
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Yeah. Just click on user.js in that doc. It's a link to how and where to create it.
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#204888 - 19/02/2004 17:43
Re: Next wish: New window
[Re: tfabris]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 10/06/1999
Posts: 5916
Loc: Wivenhoe, Essex, UK
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This one looks interesting:
Speed up page rendering
By default, Firefox doesn't try to render a web page for 250 milliseconds, because it's waiting for data. If you add the code below to your user.js file, Firefox immediately tries to render the page, even without complete data. The drawback is on slower machines where doing a "reflow" may actually cause the total page load time to be longer.
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#204889 - 19/02/2004 17:54
Re: Next wish: New window
[Re: wfaulk]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14493
Loc: Canada
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Yeah, More stuff on menus would be nice.
I suppose FireFox also has this mozilla feature: about:config
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#204890 - 19/02/2004 20:54
Re: Next wish: New window
[Re: mlord]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
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Yeah, but the docs say that there's stuff there that is left over from Mozilla and doesn't work under FireFox.
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#204891 - 23/02/2004 14:54
Re: Firefox wishes...
[Re: tfabris]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31597
Loc: Seattle, WA
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Okay, next wish...
Firefox has the same two-download limitation that IE has, as discussed and worked-around right here. Is there a similar work-around for FireFox?
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#204892 - 23/02/2004 15:09
Re: Firefox wishes...
[Re: tfabris]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
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user_pref("network.http.max-connections", 128);
user_pref("network.http.max-connections-per-server", 64);
user_pref("network.http.max-persistent-connections-per-server", 8);
Edited to remove erroneous caps
Edited by wfaulk (23/02/2004 16:32)
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#204893 - 23/02/2004 15:12
Re: Firefox wishes...
[Re: wfaulk]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31597
Loc: Seattle, WA
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You da man, Mister Faulk. Thanks!
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#204894 - 23/02/2004 15:15
Re: Firefox wishes...
[Re: tfabris]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
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Folks claim that making persistent greater than 8 is bad. I don't know how to define "bad" in this case.
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#204895 - 23/02/2004 15:18
Re: Firefox wishes...
[Re: wfaulk]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31597
Loc: Seattle, WA
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Hm. Actually, that didn't work. They're supposed to go in user.js, right? Same place that other tweak went?
I started clicking on a list of downloads on a web page, and the little Firefox download manager thingy still only showed two files at a time and waited for the first to finish before showing the third. And yes, I enlarged the window.
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#204896 - 23/02/2004 15:23
Re: Firefox wishes...
[Re: tfabris]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31597
Loc: Seattle, WA
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Even worse... If I click on a fourth link before the third link begins downloading, then it forgets about the third link and only downloads the fourth one.
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#204897 - 23/02/2004 15:29
Re: Firefox wishes...
[Re: tfabris]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
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I changed it within about:config and it worked. Maybe it needs to be in whichever file that manipulates.
Are you sure you restarted the browser? Did you edit the file while FireFox was not running? I want to say it overwrites on close, but I could be wrong about that, too.
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#204898 - 23/02/2004 15:31
Re: Firefox wishes...
[Re: tfabris]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
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it forgets about the third link and only downloads the fourth one I think you'll find it works that way in (default) IE, too. The throbber's still throbbing, and when you click on something else, it preempts the action that throb is indicating and replaces it with whatever the new click does.
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#204899 - 23/02/2004 15:32
Re: Firefox wishes...
[Re: tfabris]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 19/01/2002
Posts: 3584
Loc: Columbus, OH
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Close your browser and reopen it.
EDIT: I worked for me in the user.js file.
EDIT AGAIN: I was allowed to do more than 2 downloads from a single source, but those values were not reflected in the about:config, so I updated them there, and removed them from my user.js
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#204900 - 23/02/2004 15:37
Re: Firefox wishes...
[Re: wfaulk]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 13/07/2000
Posts: 4180
Loc: Cambridge, England
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Folks claim that making persistent greater than 8 is bad. I don't know how to define "bad" in this case. Making max-persistent-connections-per-server greater than 2 is "bad" in the sense of being a "SHOULD NOT" in RFC2616. According to RFC2119:
["SHOULD NOT" means] that there may exist valid reasons in particular circumstances when the particular behavior is acceptable or even useful, but the full implications should be understood and the case carefully weighed before implementing any behavior described with this label. Basically, it's perceived as a DoS on the server and the unrestful spirits of Jon Postel and W Richard Stevens will be disturbed and will come and haunt you for evermore.
Peter
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#204901 - 23/02/2004 15:57
Re: Firefox wishes...
[Re: wfaulk]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31597
Loc: Seattle, WA
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I changed it within about:config and it worked. Maybe it needs to be in whichever file that manipulates. Heh, actually, I think it just needs to be the correct case.
Your original post has capital letters at the beginning of each of the settings. This caused them to show up as completely separate entries in about:config. I'll bet if I modify the REAL entries (all lower case) it'll work.
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#204902 - 23/02/2004 16:04
Re: Firefox wishes...
[Re: tfabris]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31597
Loc: Seattle, WA
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Yup, editing it so that the "N"s were lower case took care of it and now it works like a charm. Thanks for the tip of looking at about:config, it was easy to see the problem once I looked there.
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#204903 - 23/02/2004 16:21
Re: Firefox wishes...
[Re: tfabris]
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enthusiast
Registered: 09/06/2003
Posts: 297
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Yeah JavaScrip/JScript/ECMAScript is case sensitive.
-brendan
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#204904 - 23/02/2004 16:31
Re: Firefox wishes...
[Re: tfabris]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
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Oops. Sorry about that. The caps were a copy-and-paste from another web page.
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#204905 - 23/02/2004 16:33
Re: Firefox wishes...
[Re: peter]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
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Yeah, but the stuff I was reading kind of implied a "MUST NOT" level of bad.
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#204906 - 27/02/2004 08:34
Re: Firefox wishes...
[Re: tfabris]
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old hand
Registered: 28/01/2002
Posts: 970
Loc: Manassas VA
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Heres what I want, I installed the tabbed browser preferences extension and it rocks, however I still don't have exactly what I want.
When I click a link say via email, or shortcut or whatever, I want it to open a new tab not take over an existing tab or open a new window. I've been dorking around with the setting in the tab preferences for an hour or so and can't get it to work.
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#204907 - 27/02/2004 11:11
Re: Firefox wishes...
[Re: lopan]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31597
Loc: Seattle, WA
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When I click a link say via email, or shortcut or whatever, I want it to open a new tab not take over an existing tab or open a new window. In firefox, this is available by default. You do not need to add a tabbed browsing extension in order to do this.
There are three ways to do it in the default firefox configuration:
1. Hold down CTRL while clicking on the link will force it to always open in a new tab. (This is very similar to holding down shift to make it open in a new window.)
2. Right click on the link and select the the appropriate option (not very convenient, but works).
3. My personal favorite: CLICK THE MIDDLE MOUSE BUTTON ON THE LINK.
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#204908 - 27/02/2004 11:18
Re: Firefox wishes...
[Re: tfabris]
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old hand
Registered: 28/01/2002
Posts: 970
Loc: Manassas VA
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Maybe it's something I did, but none of the 3 options you gave seem to work.
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#204909 - 27/02/2004 11:23
Re: Firefox wishes...
[Re: lopan]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31597
Loc: Seattle, WA
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Try deinstalling that tabbed browsing extension.
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#204910 - 27/02/2004 11:30
Re: Firefox wishes...
[Re: tfabris]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 12/02/2002
Posts: 2298
Loc: Berkeley, California
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I don't have the answer, but I just want to clarify. I think Lopan wants links he clicks on in external programs to open in new tabs, not just links within firefox.
Matthew
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#204911 - 27/02/2004 11:42
Re: Firefox wishes...
[Re: matthew_k]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31597
Loc: Seattle, WA
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If so, then I misunderstood. Sorry.
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#204912 - 27/02/2004 12:36
Re: Firefox wishes...
[Re: matthew_k]
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old hand
Registered: 28/01/2002
Posts: 970
Loc: Manassas VA
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duh, yeah sorry I didn't catch that... Tony, all your options work great within mozilla even with the tab extensions.... but I'm just trying to find a way to open new tabs via external applications.
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#204913 - 27/02/2004 12:47
Re: Firefox wishes...
[Re: lopan]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31597
Loc: Seattle, WA
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Okay, according to the same link from above that fixed my external-applications problem, here is the solution:
Open external links in new windows or tabs
If another program wants to display a web page in the default browser, Firefox will reuse an existing window by default, which means that it will navigate from a page you might be reading. To stop this, add the following code to your user.js file:
// Stop reusing active windows:
user_pref("advanced.system.supportDDEExec", false); What about new tabs instead of windows then? If you prefer tabs instead of windows, you must also install Tabbrowser Extensions, a very powerful extension that enhances the functionality of the tabbed browsing. After installing the extension, follow these instructions (make sure you didn't forget to add the above code to your user.js file):
1. Make sure you didn't forget to add the above code to your user.js file.
2. Select Tools > Options > Extensions, select Tabbrowser Extensions and click Settings.
3. Expand the Category list and select the topmost sub-item (it's supposed to read Advanced Tabbed Browsing but the Category list is too narrow).
4. In the Window Mode drop-down listbox, select Use multiple browsers only when I open them.
Done! Now any link opened by an external program, such as your e-mail client, will open in new tabs. Did you try that, and it's not working, or what?
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#204914 - 27/02/2004 13:08
Re: Firefox wishes...
[Re: tfabris]
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old hand
Registered: 28/01/2002
Posts: 970
Loc: Manassas VA
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I went and double checked, I had my user.js file in the wrong spot, everything is cool now. Thanks Tony!
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#204916 - 27/02/2004 13:11
Re: Firefox wishes...
[Re: cushman]
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veteran
Registered: 21/01/2002
Posts: 1380
Loc: Erie, CO
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Durn transparant index. You get the idea, though.
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#204917 - 11/03/2004 12:05
Re: Firefox wishes...
[Re: tfabris]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31597
Loc: Seattle, WA
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Okay, next wish:
A spell checker for forms, similar to IESpell.
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#204918 - 11/03/2004 12:22
Re: Firefox wishes...
[Re: tfabris]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
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#204919 - 11/03/2004 12:48
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[Re: wfaulk]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31597
Loc: Seattle, WA
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Thanks, Bitt. I went to the www.mozcafe.com site and installed their spell checker but didn't see anything. Those articles pointed me to the Spell Checker Front End, which was an important missing piece. However, now I right click, select the "check spelling" option, but don't see anything after that. I'll dig through those links and see if some of their configuration tricks will work.
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#204921 - 11/03/2004 13:05
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[Re: wfaulk]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31597
Loc: Seattle, WA
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The procedure entry point ??1nsSupportsWeakReference@@IAE@XZ could not be located in the dynamic link library xpcom.dll When I start firefox after doing the above steps. Seems to be generated as a result of that spellcheck.xpi installation. If I go in and prune the stuff it installed in the components folder, then the error message goes away.
Oh, also, spell checking still doesn't work, presumably because the spellcheck DLL can't start because of the above error.
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#204922 - 11/03/2004 13:10
Re: Firefox wishes...
[Re: tfabris]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
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Definitely works fine for me. Maybe there was a clash with that other spellchecker stuff you installed?
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#204923 - 11/03/2004 16:01
Re: Firefox wishes...
[Re: wfaulk]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31597
Loc: Seattle, WA
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It would be interesting if I knew how to find out where to locate and delete the other spellechecker stuff I installed. I got it from www.mozcafe.com ...
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#204924 - 11/03/2004 16:05
Re: Firefox wishes...
[Re: tfabris]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
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I won't argue with you there. There's a lot of stuff about both Firefox and Mozilla that needs a lot of tidying, including plugin management. You can try looking in Tools->Options->Extensions, but I bet it won't be there.
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#204925 - 11/03/2004 16:27
Re: Firefox wishes...
[Re: wfaulk]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31597
Loc: Seattle, WA
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No, it's not in that screen. The spellchecker front end is in that screen, but the spellchecker itself is not. Interestingly, there is no way to remove a plugin from that screen, only to disable it. Sigh.
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#204926 - 11/03/2004 16:33
Re: Firefox wishes...
[Re: tfabris]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
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If you click properties (or whatever it is) for that extension, it has a button to remove it. Not that that helps you.
You could uninstall Firefox completely and reinstall. You might have to also delete the stuff in Documents and Settings.
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#204927 - 11/03/2004 16:36
Re: Firefox wishes...
[Re: wfaulk]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31597
Loc: Seattle, WA
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Ah! Missed that button, thanks.
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#204928 - 15/03/2004 22:04
Re: Firefox wishes...
[Re: tfabris]
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journeyman
Registered: 29/07/2003
Posts: 66
Loc: Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA
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A nifty little doohickey in firefox: When in the empeg bbs (and other sites that provide alternate stylesheets), you can choose a different look&feel.
There is a small icon on the lower left corner that looks like a box of crayons. Click that and choose an alternate theme. It's not too useful right now as it seems to revert whenever you click a link, but it's sorta cool nonetheless.
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#204929 - 02/04/2004 13:48
Re: Firefox wishes...
[Re: tfabris]
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addict
Registered: 23/12/2002
Posts: 652
Loc: Winston Salem, NC
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I don't feel like reading this entire thread so this may have already been mentioned but...
<frustrated rant>
From a designer's aspect, I wish Firefox would correctly render simple CSS!
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#204930 - 02/04/2004 14:07
Re: Firefox wishes...
[Re: Cybjorg]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
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Example? I've never seen CSS that wouldn't render properly on Firefox/Firebird/Mozilla/whatever that didn't have any errors.
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#204931 - 02/04/2004 14:30
Re: Firefox wishes...
[Re: tfabris]
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Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31597
Loc: Seattle, WA
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By the way, I'm back to using IE for most of my stuff. I gave Firefox a good solid chance, and I'll leave it installed for some stuff, but I'm back to IE as my default browser. Reasons:
- Load time. To launch a fresh session of firefox takes a maddeningly long time, even on my 3.2ghz system. IE, by comparison, launches almost instantly.
- Spell check. I tried very hard to get the spell checking functioning (as described earlier in this thread) and it never worked. IESpell just works.
- Funny wrap in text entry. When I put in posts here on the BBS with a long URL tag, the box wraps funny and goes wide if the length of the URL exceeds the width of the text entry box.
- Other miscellaneous little niggles.
I'll admit that Firefox has a lot of advantages over IE, and I really like the tabbed browsing feature especially for reading the BBS. So I'll keep it around at least for that. And I'll admit that IE has a bunch of little niggles and crashes and things of its own, so now the two programs are very nearly a dead heat. It's only a few critical things that keep me from fully embracing firefox.
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#204932 - 02/04/2004 14:49
Re: Firefox wishes...
[Re: tfabris]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 27/06/1999
Posts: 7058
Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
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IE, by comparison, launches almost instantly. Because 99% of it is already loaded by the Windows OS t's only a few critical things that keep me from fully embracing firefox. I'm with ya. I use IE for all my Windows browsing needs, despite giving Firefox, Mozilla, and others a fair chance. Firefox isn't too far behind, and since M$ has no plans to update IE, I think it's got a shot to be the browser of the future on the Wintel platform.
Of course, now that most of my home computing is on my Powerbook, I don't need to worry about PC browser wars anymore.
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#204933 - 02/04/2004 15:23
Re: Firefox wishes...
[Re: tfabris]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
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To launch a fresh session of firefox takes a maddeningly long time, even on my 3.2ghz system. That's weird. I have a slower computer than that and it takes very little more time than starting a new IE window. I'm talking like 0.8 seconds versus 0.4.
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#204934 - 02/04/2004 15:24
Re: Firefox wishes...
[Re: wfaulk]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 27/06/1999
Posts: 7058
Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
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Maybe it's time for Tony to defrag?
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#204935 - 05/04/2004 09:15
Re: Firefox wishes...
[Re: wfaulk]
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addict
Registered: 23/12/2002
Posts: 652
Loc: Winston Salem, NC
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Example? I've never seen CSS that wouldn't render properly on Firefox/Firebird/Mozilla/whatever that didn't have any errors.
Feast your eyes on this in both IE and Firefox. This differences are slight but they are there. I was forced to redesign the page several times due to the age-old IE/Netscape/Mozilla issue of window margin widths. Any absolute or relative positioning is going to render slightly differently in each browser, which sucks when you are shooting for precise placement.
Other differences include Firefox not rendering the disc in front of the description date, the jog in the line below the words 'quantity', 'price', and 'amount' and the wierd alignment of the John Doe information when viewing the print preview in Firefox.
If you can find the error in my CSS, I'd like to know it.
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#204936 - 05/04/2004 10:16
Re: Firefox wishes...
[Re: Cybjorg]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 19/01/2002
Posts: 3584
Loc: Columbus, OH
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when viewing the print preview in Firefox Yeah...I thought it was weird that it would render the page properly (except the bullets in front of the date) but would not show properly in the print preview. I even printed a copy and the problem with the alignment was fixed, but the jog in the line was still there.
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#204937 - 05/04/2004 12:43
Re: Firefox wishes...
[Re: Cybjorg]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
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The disc thing is weird. The positioning is different, but I'm not sure which is right, or even if there is a right. The other ones (jog in the line, alignment in print preview) I don't see,
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#204938 - 05/04/2004 15:00
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[Re: wfaulk]
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addict
Registered: 23/12/2002
Posts: 652
Loc: Winston Salem, NC
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Well, here's what it looks like:
As far as the positioning, I'm not saying one is definatively right or wrong, just that both need to come up with an standardized format. How else are we supposed to specify absolute amounts if both render differently?
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#204939 - 05/04/2004 15:10
Re: Firefox wishes...
[Re: Cybjorg]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
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It doesn't do that for me. Odd.
I won't argue with you about the spacing. I have no solution.
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#204940 - 12/04/2004 16:13
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[Re: Cybjorg]
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addict
Registered: 23/12/2002
Posts: 652
Loc: Winston Salem, NC
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Once again Firefox and I clash with CSS rendering. I am working on a template for a webpage that is supposed to look as similar as possible to a mock-up created in Photoshop. The nearly final result renders nicely in IE, yet Firefox tends to bungle things up.
Upon first load, many of the headers don't load and leave blank spaces. While annoying, this can be corrected by a page refresh. But extremely noticable is the right-hand column which does not appear on the right at all. Less noticable is the margin amount at the top, the misplaced navigation, and the ever-so-slight width difference in the body and footer areas (note the light blue-ish bar at the bottom).
I guess I'll spend tomorrow trying to work out potential issues in order to get both browsers to display similar results, but if neither browser can even agree on a 0,0 point, I don't see how things are ever going to look the same. If anyone out there considers themselves to be a CSS guru and has a solution, please let me know.
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#204941 - 15/04/2004 14:23
Re: Firefox again rubs wrong
[Re: Cybjorg]
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addict
Registered: 23/12/2002
Posts: 652
Loc: Winston Salem, NC
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Well, it looks like I have my problem solved (sans some main content). Page should look nearly identical in both IE and Firefox.
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#204942 - 15/04/2004 15:47
Re: Firefox again rubs wrong
[Re: Cybjorg]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
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What'd you do?
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#204943 - 15/04/2004 16:09
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[Re: wfaulk]
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addict
Registered: 23/12/2002
Posts: 652
Loc: Winston Salem, NC
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I cleaned up both the HTML and CSS code considerably, but the issues that I was having was pretty much an issue with IE loosly translating the CSS code, while Firefox maintains a stricter ship. By re-writing the CSS line-by-line and viewing it in Firefox as I went along, I was able to catch the culprits and make the correct modifications.
So basically from now on, my hard and fast rule is (and probably always should have been): design for Firefox and IE will probably turn out OK.
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#204944 - 15/04/2004 16:09
Re: Firefox again rubs wrong
[Re: Cybjorg]
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old hand
Registered: 28/12/2001
Posts: 868
Loc: Los Angeles
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So this weekend I got hit by a piece of fucking spyware....again. Something changing my homepage. I have already screwed down the security on IE so tight that there are a lot of legitimate sites I can not see anymore, but it doesn't make a difference. I came into work on Monday, and 2 of my 4 cubicle mates also got hit by spyware this weekend, and another friend of mine's mother got hit by a really bad one that was using her computer to send spam. This is all IE's fault, and I have finally had enough of it. Using Spybot and Ad-aware and Hijackthis to fix things afterwards is all fine and dandy, but how long is it going to be before someone writes some spyware that just goes ahead and infects every file on your harddrive like a virus so that you can never get rid of it or does something equally nasty? Right now this is just an annoyance, but the potential is for it to be as bad as any virus infestation, and a hell of a lot easier to put on people's computers than virus. I practice safe computing, and I have NEVER gotten hit by a virus on my home machine, but as long as I use IE I am going to get spyware on my computer. This is just completely unacceptable.
I have been critical of Firefox for purposely choosing not be 100% compatible with IE which limits its usefulness, like the kind of stuff that Cybjorg is complaining about. I have my own issues with that kind of thing, like the fact it does not fully support div layers. But you know, I don't care anymore. I can't take IE's insecurity anymore.
So I installed Firefox two days ago and in some ways I am satisfied, and some ways I am not. I had been using MYIE2, which use tabs and mouse gestures, both of which I have gotten used to and don't think I could live without anymore. I am happy to say that the implementation of these two things in Firefox are very good, perhaps superior than MYIE2's implementation. I like all the referrer blocking you can do, that is a good addition. I am still getting used to a lot of small things, like the wierd extra wide cursor they use in text boxes like the one I am typing on right now. There are some features of MYIE2 that I will miss, like switching from tabbed to a MDI/child-parent type window with a click of a button, and some of the good extensions that have not made the jump yet to Firefox yet.
My one major issue with it at this point is the fact that is soooo slow. It is much, and I mean MUCH, slower than IE or MYIE2. I can watch it creating the page every time, something I never see in IE. It probably takes 2 or 3 times longer to render. I have gone online to their forums and tried a bunch of tweaks suggested there, but none of them worked for me at all. This is a big issue, maybe not a dealbreaker, but it is damn annoying. It also seems sometimes Firefox refuses to show a page, but it has only happened a couple of times so far. I will stick with it because as annoying as these things are, they pale in comparison to the annoyance of the gaping security holes of IE.
Thanks for this thread BTW, a lot of Tony's questions ended up being my questions too, and there was some good answers. And Tony, if you are going to stick with IE, you should try MYIE2. It uses the IE engine to render, so most things work exactly the same, but it throws in some great features like I mentioned.
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#204945 - 15/04/2004 16:27
Re: Firefox again rubs wrong
[Re: ninti]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31597
Loc: Seattle, WA
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My one major issue with it at this point is the fact that is soooo slow. It is much, and I mean MUCH, slower than IE or MYIE2. I can watch it creating the page every time, something I never see in IE. It probably takes 2 or 3 times longer to render. I have not experienced this. To me, both products seem to render pages quite quick.
Questions:
Are you testing apples to apples? For example, loading from a hard disk instead of online so that random variances in network speed don't affect you?
Do you have one app or the other set to download more than two HTTP streams at the same time? That might affect download/render speed. Earlier in this thread somewhere, I think we discuss how to set that feature in Firefox, you need to make a registry change to set that feature in IE.
Finally, are you confusing Firefox's rendering style with slowness? When viewing the BBS for example, Firefox will render each of the table cells that contain the messages as-it-gets-them. IE waits until it's got the whole table loaded before it renders it. This can make it look like firefox is loading the page slower sometimes, although it seems to not make the actual start-to-finish rendering times any different from what I could see. If I recall correctly, this has been one of the hallmark differences between IE and all of the netscape products for many years.
I'll give MyIE2 a stab, thanks.
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#204946 - 15/04/2004 17:32
Re: Firefox again rubs wrong
[Re: tfabris]
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old hand
Registered: 28/12/2001
Posts: 868
Loc: Los Angeles
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Are you testing apples to apples? For example, loading from a hard disk instead of online so that random variances in network speed don't affect you?
Yes, it is slower both when the page is brand new, and when the page has already been loaded once. It appears to be the rendering that is slow, not the downloading.
Do you have one app or the other set to download more than two HTTP streams at the same time? That might affect download/render speed. Earlier in this thread somewhere, I think we discuss how to set that feature in Firefox, you need to make a registry change to set that feature in IE.
Already done on both. This is also a tweak I have used with IE for a long time, and is one of the first things I did with Firefox (the RFCs be damned.)
Finally, are you confusing Firefox's rendering style with slowness?
Yes, there is that. After some further testing I admit this makes it look worse than it is, but it is still slower. I was testing on http://scragz.com/tech/mozilla/test-rendering-time.php , which records load times using some javascript, The first time loading it, I got 11 seconds with Firefox vs 6 with IE, subsequent loading averaged 9 seconds for Firefox and still 6 for IE. Not as bad as my original "2 to 3 times" estimate, but still noticably slower.
More troubling is the fact that during my further testing I had problems with pages loading again. Going on to Fark (for instance) and clicking on 6 or 7 links really fast in MYIE2 is fine. Doing the same in Firefox guarantees that some of the pages will not load. And hitting the reload button does not work in this instance either, I have to close the window and reclick on the link to get it working. Maybe I can fix this behaviour, time to wade through their forums again.
And another thing, I just went to Google and hit the News link...and nothing happened. Actually, none of them did, not groups, or images, or any of the rest of the links. Reloading the page, hitting it multiple times, nothing helped. Searching works, but not those links. I had to close the browser and reload it for it to work again.
So obviously there are some issues, but I am willing to cut them some slack since it really is still pretty new. And as I said, it is still not as bad as getting spyware on my computer.
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#204947 - 15/04/2004 22:13
Re: Firefox again rubs wrong
[Re: ninti]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31597
Loc: Seattle, WA
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Already done on both. This is also a tweak I have used with IE for a long time, and is one of the first things I did with Firefox (the RFCs be damned.) It might be interesting to see if you run into the same discrepancies and problems if you set them both back to the system defaults.
Lately I've been getting a problem with my dialup connection where the line drops if I'm streaming too many pieces of data down the line at once. I've just now set up both IE and Firefox so that they're back to the defaults again, I'll see if the problem goes away...
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#204948 - 16/04/2004 02:12
Re: Firefox again rubs wrong
[Re: tfabris]
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old hand
Registered: 28/12/2001
Posts: 868
Loc: Los Angeles
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It might be interesting to see if you run into the same discrepancies and problems if you set them both back to the system defaults.
Not a bad thought. I installed it with just the defaults on another computer, and I had the same problem with opening a lot of links too quickly. Not sure about the other problem, since it only happened that one time anyway. Couldn't find a solution in their forums, may be ime to post there.
Just discovered the "duplicate tab" extension. Copy the current tab AND the history. Comes in handy when I am typing a reply in here, and I want to go back and check out an older post in the thread real fast without losing my message (or having to copy it and repaste it later.) Very nice.
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#204949 - 16/04/2004 09:35
Re: Firefox again rubs wrong
[Re: ninti]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
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I just went to Google and hit the News link...and nothing happened. This, I think is something hitting the popup sensor. I've see it a lot. You can get past it by opening the link in a new tab or window. Annoying, but at least you don't have to restart.
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#204950 - 16/04/2004 17:11
Re: Firefox again rubs wrong
[Re: wfaulk]
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Registered: 28/12/2001
Posts: 868
Loc: Los Angeles
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Yeah, that works. Thanks.
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#204951 - 18/04/2004 03:52
Re: Firefox again rubs wrong
[Re: tfabris]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31597
Loc: Seattle, WA
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I'll give MyIE2 a stab, thanks. I've been messing with MyIE2 and it's got a lot of good points. It's got the tabbed browsing feature that made Firefox so useful to me. And it's highly configurable. Although I have to change a lot of configuration options in order to make behave the way I want it to (I think I had to change something like three options to make the tabbed browsing behave identically to Firefox), the fact that those options are there is very nice.
It just did something very troubling to me, though. I was in the middle of a session, I had opened a few tabs representing posts on this very BBS. I pressed Reply on one of the posts, got the message composition screen, and composed my reply. When I pressed "continue", the BBS told me that there was an error: Only registered users may reply. That's odd, since I was definitely positively logged in... It only gives me the option to reply and presents me with the composition screen if I'm logged in. And since it was all part of the same set of tabbed windows, I had not started a new session or anything.
When I pressed the Back button to get my composition screen back so that I could copy the text to the clipboard to paste into another reply attempt, then the BBS gave me a different error message, again saying I was not logged in.
This behavior, to me, is consistent with the hypothesis that MyIE2 somehow lost my BBS cookie in the middle of a browsing session, at a point in time between the time I pressed "Reply" and the time I submitted the reply by pressing "Continue". This does not give me a lot of confidence in MyIE2...
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#204952 - 18/04/2004 19:16
Re: Firefox again rubs wrong
[Re: tfabris]
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old hand
Registered: 28/12/2001
Posts: 868
Loc: Los Angeles
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> I think I had to change something like three options to make the tabbed browsing behave identically to Firefox
Hehe, yeah, I think it took something like three options for me to make the Firefox tabs act identically to MyIE2.
> This does not give me a lot of confidence in MyIE2
Hmm, that does sound annoying. Well, all I can tell you is I have never gotten that error when posting here.
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#204953 - 19/04/2004 02:57
Re: Firefox again rubs wrong
[Re: tfabris]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 13/07/2000
Posts: 4180
Loc: Cambridge, England
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This behavior, to me, is consistent with the hypothesis that MyIE2 somehow lost my BBS cookie in the middle of a browsing session, at a point in time between the time I pressed "Reply" and the time I submitted the reply by pressing "Continue". This does not give me a lot of confidence in MyIE2... Every browser I've used on the BBS (MSIE, Netscape 4, Mozilla, Konqueror) loses the cookie from time to time. I agree it's especially annoying in mid-reply. I don't think it's a client-side problem.
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#204954 - 19/04/2004 09:35
Re: Firefox again rubs wrong
[Re: peter]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
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I used to have this problem a lot, and related ones, but ever since I've started logging out and back in each time I use a new browser, I've not seen it. (That is, read BBS at work, go home, open browser, log out, log in, read BBS, go back to work, open browser, log out, log in, read BBS. But read BBS at work, go home, don't/ read BBS, go back to work, open browser, read BBS.)
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#204955 - 19/04/2004 09:49
Re: Firefox again rubs wrong
[Re: peter]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 08/03/2000
Posts: 12338
Loc: Sterling, VA
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From time to time I'll visit the board and not be logged in, but that's like once a month. I've never once been logged out in the middle of a session. I have had a problem several times where the board will say that I forgot to fill some field in my post (when I didn't), then I'll have to go back and retype it because I forgot to copy the text.
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#204956 - 19/04/2004 10:46
Re: Firefox again rubs wrong
[Re: peter]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31597
Loc: Seattle, WA
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I don't think it's a client-side problem. Actually, it happened again and I figured out what was wrong. It was a client-side problem, but it was essentially PEBKAC error. Here's what I'd done:
- I like clearing cache and cookies frequently, so I'd enabled the MyIE2 feature to do so on each browser exit.
- But I hadn't exited the MyIE2 session, I was in the middle of a post. So I knew that the clear-on-browser-exit hadn't been the culprit.
- Actually, it turns out that it had been the culprit. I was browsing another site in a completely different session of MyIE2 (not just a different tab, but a whole separate window) and had closed that window.
Conclusion: MyIE2's feature to clear cache and cookies on exit applies to each instance of the program, not to all instances of the program globally. Wonder if they take feature requests...
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