#229243 - 02/08/2004 15:41
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pooh-bah
Registered: 12/01/2002
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Loc: Brisbane, Australia
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Soooo.... it's been about 3 weeks since the meet. Any chance on v3a8 being released to the rest of us plebs? I think it was mentioned that the empeg guys would let it go for a few weeks to see how good it was. I think the main concern was any show stopping bugs but I don't believe there are any big ones. Even most of the big ones have already been worked around by the good Mr Lord. Don't want to be pushy but .... uhm ... well ... I want it 
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#229244 - 02/08/2004 16:52
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[Re: Shonky]
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carpal tunnel
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D3wd iTs LIk3 t0Ta11y wAr3z3d oN biTT0rr3nT aLr3aDy...
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#229245 - 02/08/2004 17:42
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[Re: tfabris]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 08/06/1999
Posts: 7868
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Who let Tony have it? He wasn't at the meet :-P
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#229246 - 02/08/2004 17:46
Re: v3a8 Release?
[Re: tfabris]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 19/01/2002
Posts: 3584
Loc: Columbus, OH
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Now I just need a link to the .torrent...
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#229247 - 02/08/2004 18:12
Re: v3a8 Release?
[Re: drakino]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 17/01/2002
Posts: 3996
Loc: Manchester UK
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Who let Tony have it? He wasn't at the meet :-P
Isn't he one of the l33t aLpHa p0s5e anyway?
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#229248 - 02/08/2004 19:38
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[Re: tfabris]
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D3wd iTs LIk3 t0Ta11y wAr3z3d oN biTT0rr3nT aLr3aDy...
Wow that makes my eyes hurt. What does that say in english?
My hack-fu is not strong. 
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#229249 - 02/08/2004 19:42
Re: v3a8 Release?
[Re: JrFaust]
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#229250 - 02/08/2004 20:03
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[Re: tfabris]
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#229251 - 02/08/2004 20:34
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[Re: JaBZ]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 15/08/2000
Posts: 4859
Loc: New Jersey, USA
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That was actually painful to read. Hmmm... Google in leet speak. Scary!
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#229252 - 04/08/2004 06:48
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[Re: pgrzelak]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 12/01/2002
Posts: 2009
Loc: Brisbane, Australia
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Umm so do you guys really have 3a8 or are we just being silly?
Could the empeg guys comment?
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#229253 - 04/08/2004 07:02
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[Re: Shonky]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 05/01/2001
Posts: 4903
Loc: Detroit, MI USA
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I can just picture Monty Python's "Silly Police" storming the boards!
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#229254 - 04/08/2004 08:24
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[Re: Shonky]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 21/05/1999
Posts: 5335
Loc: Cambridge UK
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We're a bit too busy with new products to think about releasing a car player alpha right now. Anyone with the CD is welcome to share that with friends/colleagues but please don't post it online. We will make a more official release when we have time to review lessons learned from the Amersfoort release.
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#229255 - 04/08/2004 09:00
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[Re: rob]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 12/01/2002
Posts: 2009
Loc: Brisbane, Australia
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OK Thanks Rob. I can appreciate that.
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#229256 - 04/08/2004 14:47
Re: v3a8 Release?
[Re: rob]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 12/02/2002
Posts: 2298
Loc: Berkeley, California
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Anyone with the CD is welcome to share that with friends/colleagues
Anyone care to share with a friend? I'm anxiously awaiting Auto EQ.
Matthew
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#229257 - 04/08/2004 14:58
Re: v3a8 Release?
[Re: matthew_k]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 05/01/2001
Posts: 4903
Loc: Detroit, MI USA
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I'm finally getting brave enough to try this too...  What was the agreed upon US mic?
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#229258 - 04/08/2004 16:25
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[Re: SE_Sport_Driver]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31602
Loc: Seattle, WA
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What was the agreed upon US mic?
Haven't found one yet. Anxiously awaiting.
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#229259 - 04/08/2004 16:36
Re: v3a8 Release?
[Re: tfabris]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
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The RatShack 270-101 seems to be the right sort of thing and has only two leads, so maybe that'll work. I'll drop by the RS after work and pick one up.
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#229260 - 04/08/2004 16:55
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[Re: wfaulk]
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#229261 - 04/08/2004 17:05
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[Re: tfabris]
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old hand
Registered: 14/02/2002
Posts: 804
Loc: Salt Lake City, UT
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I have this one sitting here in front of me. It is made to go on a PCB, but I'm sure it can be worked around. I need to solder some wires to it and try it out.
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#229262 - 04/08/2004 17:38
Re: v3a8 Release?
[Re: tfabris]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 17/12/2000
Posts: 2665
Loc: Manteca, California
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That's unidirectional...
Why is Omni directional better in this usage? I sort of assumed the mic was placed in front of each speaker while some sort of calibration took place.
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#229263 - 04/08/2004 17:39
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[Re: gbeer]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
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Nope. Just hold it at your head, be quiet, and wait.
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#229264 - 04/08/2004 17:41
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[Re: gbeer]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31602
Loc: Seattle, WA
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No, the mic is placed in a position that is close to where you would listen to the music (ie about your head location) and it sets a single global EQ setting based on that one sample.
If you placed the mic near a speaker, you would only get a nice EQ for that speaker, not for all the other speakers and not taking into account phase, reflections, and the upholstery soaking up frequencies.
If the mic is not omnidirectional, then it's almost as bad as sticking the mic in front of a speaker, i.e., it's not behaving like your ears behave and won't give as good of an approximation of the overall sound of the car's interior.
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#229265 - 04/08/2004 18:07
Re: v3a8 Release?
[Re: matthew_k]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 31/08/1999
Posts: 1649
Loc: San Carlos, CA
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Anyone care to share with a friend?
Oh, oh, me too.
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#229266 - 04/08/2004 19:09
Re: v3a8 Release?
[Re: mcomb]
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new poster
Registered: 11/01/2002
Posts: 25
Loc: SA, Texas
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It would be really cool if someone sent me "the ISO" of that CD. I love testing this stuff.
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#229267 - 04/08/2004 20:12
Re: v3a8 Release?
[Re: tfabris]
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addict
Registered: 29/06/2002
Posts: 531
Loc: Triangle, VA
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I wasnt really wanting to get into the alpha software but since it has the autoEQ I want to try it out. Would someone be so kind and share with me too? Also if it doesnt work out well for me can i easily go back to v2? Do I loose all the music on my players when changing versions? Thanks!
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#229268 - 04/08/2004 20:25
Re: v3a8 Release?
[Re: SonicSnoop]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31602
Loc: Seattle, WA
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Do I loose all the music on my players when changing versions?
No, but your database rebuilds will get hosed and you might have to do this and/or this. I usually end up having to do both after bouncing back and forth between versions.
Also, this last time I bounced back and forth between 2.0 and 3.0 a couple of times, I got some severe playlist corruption, where playlists that were originally three levels down in the tree inexplicably appeared in the root. I hadn't gotten around to reporting that one yet because I'd been doing so much back-and-forth and synching with different emplode versions that I was afraid it was something I'd caused to happen myself. Anyway, I had to delete all my playlists and restore from a backup using riobackup.jar.
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#229269 - 05/08/2004 17:52
Re: v3a8 Release?
[Re: mcomb]
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old hand
Registered: 16/02/2002
Posts: 867
Loc: Oxford, UK
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Anyone care to share with a friend?
Oh, oh, me too.
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What he said
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#229270 - 05/08/2004 18:23
Re: v3a8 Release?
[Re: matthew_k]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 17/01/2002
Posts: 3996
Loc: Manchester UK
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Anyone care to share with a friend? I'm anxiously awaiting Auto EQ.
Not to put the empeg guys down, but a8 is really only useful if you have more than 16MB of memory. The auto eq whilst interesting, isn't really functional yet.
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#229271 - 05/08/2004 18:29
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[Re: AndrewT]
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enthusiast
Registered: 30/01/2000
Posts: 262
Loc: Derbyshire, UK
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Typical. I've been away for a couple of months, I decide to investigate the use of Wendy Flags (sick of my gf moaning about some of my music) and what do I find? A newer version of emphatic and the lrcdb is finally up and running. So, I'm looking for the latest version of 3. Seems that there is too much weird behaviour before a8 and it's so tantalisingly close. Anyone with a CD wanna burn me a copy and send it? Do ya, huh? Do ya?
I can then give the animated logo graphic that SkunkNumber did for me a go as I tried a few times on v2 and gave up.
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#229272 - 05/08/2004 18:37
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[Re: srhodes]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31602
Loc: Seattle, WA
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I tried a few times on v2 and gave up.
V3 does not have any different behavior with regard to the animated logos. In fact, if you weren't able to get an animated logo working with V2, then V3 will just make things worse because it is alpha and is less stable than V2.
What you need, most likely, is merely the latest version of Jemplode; he recently fixed some bugs with animated logo handling. You need the latest Hijack, too, of course. Remember that instructions on how to install an animated logo are here. Just use Jemplode to open up the GIF file that Skunk made for you, and send it to the player.
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#229273 - 05/08/2004 19:04
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[Re: andym]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 31/08/1999
Posts: 1649
Loc: San Carlos, CA
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Not to put the empeg guys down, but a8 is really only useful if you have more than 16MB of memory. The auto eq whilst interesting, isn't really functional yet.
While I am quite interested in the auto eq feature I was also hoping for some bug fixes. I've been running a7 for quite a while now and I'd love some stability improvements. Of course, I don't know if a8 actually has any stability improvements since I haven't seen a changelog. Nevertheless, I am already running an alpha version and a bigger number has to be better right So, if anybody feels like sharing please send me a PM.
-Mike
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#229275 - 05/08/2004 19:10
Re: v3a8 Release?
[Re: tfabris]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
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There's no reason that immediately occurs to me that would prevent you from running 3.0a8 to generate AutoEQ, make sure you save the EQ, then revert to 2.0. Is there?
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#229276 - 05/08/2004 19:15
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[Re: tfabris]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 31/08/1999
Posts: 1649
Loc: San Carlos, CA
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If you want stability improvements, then you need 2.0.
Nah, I just want a happy medium Call it worthwhile instability.
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#229277 - 05/08/2004 19:18
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[Re: wfaulk]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31602
Loc: Seattle, WA
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There's no reason that immediately occurs to me that would prevent you from running 3.0a8 to generate AutoEQ, make sure you save the EQ, then revert to 2.0. Is there?
Precisely what I was intending to do.
Problem for me right now is finding a mic that's sensitive enough to do the job...
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#229278 - 05/08/2004 20:16
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[Re: tfabris]
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old hand
Registered: 16/02/2002
Posts: 867
Loc: Oxford, UK
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Problem for me right now is finding a mic that's sensitive enough to do the job...
Hasn't anybody from this side of the pond offered to wander into Maplins and bulk-buy some of the mics the empeg guys used and ship them over?
I'm quite happy to do it if there's someone prepared to handle the US side of things.
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#229279 - 05/08/2004 20:18
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[Re: andym]
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old hand
Registered: 16/02/2002
Posts: 867
Loc: Oxford, UK
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Not to put the empeg guys down, but a8 is really only useful if you have more than 16MB of memory. The auto eq whilst interesting, isn't really functional yet.
Personally I'm more interested in tuner bugfixes. Are you aware of any improvements over 2.0 with this alpha?
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#229280 - 06/08/2004 00:55
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[Re: tfabris]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 24/01/2002
Posts: 3937
Loc: Providence, RI
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I know where I can get one, but when I'm done I expect they'll want it back
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#229281 - 06/08/2004 08:52
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[Re: AndrewT]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 12/01/2002
Posts: 2009
Loc: Brisbane, Australia
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Not to put the empeg guys down, but a8 is really only useful if you have more than 16MB of memory. The auto eq whilst interesting, isn't really functional yet.
Personally I'm more interested in tuner bugfixes. Are you aware of any improvements over 2.0 with this alpha?
Likewise, although AutoEQ would be cool to play with. I'm specifically looking for these issues getting fixed.
Playlist saving seemed to get broken between 3.00a3 and 3.00a5 from my testing although not many others experience the same issues.
Random marking is also really getting to annoy me because I do this.
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#229282 - 06/08/2004 09:56
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[Re: tfabris]
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Registered: 30/01/2000
Posts: 262
Loc: Derbyshire, UK
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Just use Jemplode to open up the GIF file that Skunk made for you, and send it to the player.
I've avoided JEmplode as my home PC is a bit clunky and I didn't want the pain of installing JDK. I've tried uploading animated logo's using Logo Editor.
You're saying I may as well stick with v2.0 until the Beta comes out. I did try one of the early v3.0 alphas and liked some of the new options but reverted back due to emphatic not working.
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#229283 - 06/08/2004 12:23
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[Re: srhodes]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 27/06/1999
Posts: 7058
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but reverted back due to emphatic not working.
Looks like you need to read the Programming forum...
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#229284 - 06/08/2004 13:17
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[Re: AndrewT]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 17/01/2002
Posts: 3996
Loc: Manchester UK
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Personally I'm more interested in tuner bugfixes. Are you aware of any improvements over 2.0 with this alpha?
I was getting random crashes with a7 but switching off the random visuals seems to have sorted it out. I think the position saving on power down is sorted too. Other than that, I wouldn't say i'd had that many problems with a7 in the first place.
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#229285 - 06/08/2004 13:23
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[Re: andym]
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member
Registered: 30/06/1999
Posts: 179
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I upgraded my empeg to 32MB and I have the unidirectional microphone. The only thing I don't have is the correpsonding software.
So if someone is willing to send me a copy, feel free to send me a pm.
Thanks
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#229286 - 06/08/2004 15:13
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[Re: alex25]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
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You need an omnidirectional mike.
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#229287 - 06/08/2004 16:17
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[Re: wfaulk]
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Registered: 19/06/2000
Posts: 1495
Loc: US: CA
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s/mike/mic/
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#229288 - 06/08/2004 17:00
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[Re: ricin]
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Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
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#229289 - 06/08/2004 17:32
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[Re: wfaulk]
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Oh, OK, I'm an idiot. I could've sworn mic was an abbreviation for microphone. Call me Bitten.
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#229291 - 06/08/2004 19:31
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[Re: wfaulk]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 05/01/2001
Posts: 4903
Loc: Detroit, MI USA
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Merriam-Webster can eat it.
Check any portable audio device, camcorder or mixer board. They all have "Mic In" or "Mic 1", "Mic 2", etc.
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#229292 - 06/08/2004 19:55
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[Re: SE_Sport_Driver]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
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Yes, they do. They are also liable to say things like "Inp", "Eff", "Bal", "Para", "Ch", etc. However, I was not using an abbreviation. I was using another word that means "microphone".
Also, I agree with this guy about mike/mic usage, not that he's any particular authority on English usage, other than having a minor book published about it.
Edited by wfaulk (06/08/2004 20:01)
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#229293 - 07/08/2004 02:39
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[Re: wfaulk]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 05/01/2001
Posts: 4903
Loc: Detroit, MI USA
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I agree with him (and you now that I've read that), but I'd classify it under industry jargon rather than a proper English word. But I guess its common usage is reason enough to remind people of its "technician" roots.
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#229294 - 07/08/2004 02:50
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[Re: SE_Sport_Driver]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 12/01/2002
Posts: 2009
Loc: Brisbane, Australia
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So after all that (including the correct form when abbreviating microphone) is anyone willing to share 3a8?
I'd be interested to know what the empeg guys "learnt" this time around about releasing the alpha.
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#229295 - 12/08/2004 01:39
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[Re: AndrewT]
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Ditto...
Any chance of getting an ISO image? Please PM.
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