#276946 - 07/03/2006 20:14
If this was real I'd buy one now.....
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#276947 - 07/03/2006 20:16
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Me too, that's exactly the type of thing I'm looking/waiting for.
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#276948 - 07/03/2006 20:17
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#276949 - 07/03/2006 20:21
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As I understand it, you can play your own videos on a PSP, problem being the available storage isn't that great. Still, you can get 2GB memory sticks for it, which is more capacity than the UMD discs they sell prerecorded movies on.
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#276950 - 07/03/2006 20:58
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[Re: wfaulk]
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As I understand it, you can play your own videos on a PSP, problem being the available storage isn't that great. Still, you can get 2GB memory sticks for it, which is more capacity than the UMD discs they sell prerecorded movies on.
Bitt, I'm sorry, but that's a pretty ridiculous comparison. This rumored iPod is also what I've been waiting for, in that it's a slim device with a screen across the entire face. The PSP is nothing like this aside from the large screen. And the thought of carrying around enough memory sticks to store all the media I'd want is just silly.
As for the rumored device, it's had me very conflicted. I still loathe the idea of being tied into iTunes, I dislike the iPod UI, and I hate being forced to use a soup mode. Basically, if the iPod were a mass storage device, it would be my ideal MP3 player.
But for the most part, it has what I've been looking for. The screen takes up the entire face, the storage is rumored to be decent (anything over 30GB is fine with me), and the touchscreen is a bonus. I'm almost certain that the device linked isn't the real deal. Apple wouldn't be that careless. But I certainly think it'll be a lot like that, and I'm very excited for it.
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#276951 - 07/03/2006 21:57
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Fake images of a full-surface screen ipod have been making the rounds for weeks. Gizmodo and Engadget both have what seems like dail coverage of them. The most interesting thing I've seen was a short video of the first guy doing the Photoshop edits to create the fake image.
I'd love to see the iPod go full-surface screen. But I'd also like to see either a compactflash of SD slot in it as well as the dock connector support USB-OTG (or straight-up USB host). And I'd like to see any such model introduced with an 80GB drive. Keeping my fingers crossed we start to see 150GB+ drives in that form-factor soon afterwards. if you want video you need a lot of storage. I'd like something fast enough to unload quickly from a camera card or directly connect a camera to. Plus I'd love to have my entire photo collection on there (a mirror would always be on an additional PC as well as backup device).
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#276952 - 07/03/2006 22:53
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[Re: hybrid8]
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Fake images of a full-surface screen ipod have been making the rounds for weeks. Gizmodo and Engadget both have what seems like dail coverage of them. The most interesting thing I've seen was a short video of the first guy doing the Photoshop edits to create the fake image.
Then, though I couldn't believe it was them, the horrible G4 program "Attack of the Show" showed that both the original image and the video recreating the image were their doing. For such a terrible show I was a little impressed that they got this out there.
As for storage, I'm pretty sure I saw a report that it would have 40 or 80GB. 40 is the minimum for a serious video device, IMO. The Archos AV340 I have at the moment has that much storage, and I wouldn't go any lower (that's one of the reasons I returned my 30GB AV500). If you want to store a large music collection and a good number of movies/TV shows, you need a ton of space. I wouldn't be suprised if they got some of the first perpendicular 1.8" drives for a product this big.
The downside to this device is that I assume it'll be physically larger than the current 5G iPod, though I don't know by how much.
I'm sure we'll find out next month. Does anyone know if Apple considers their anniversary to have a specific day of the month in April?
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#276953 - 08/03/2006 00:06
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[Re: Dignan]
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I'm sure we'll find out next month. Does anyone know if Apple considers their anniversary to have a specific day of the month in April?
April 1st. Jobs commented on it during the January keynote.
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#276954 - 08/03/2006 10:04
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[Re: drakino]
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Registered: 12/01/2002
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If only it were true. I'm in the market for a MP3/OGG player right now (to alleviate the boredom on my enforced 2 hour commute). That would be awesome and I'd also buy one in a flash.
Now to find something else suitable and a little more real.
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#276955 - 08/03/2006 11:22
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Registered: 17/07/2001
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I'm sure we'll find out next month. Does anyone know if Apple considers their anniversary to have a specific day of the month in April?
April 1st. Jobs commented on it during the January keynote.
Always a great day to introduce a new product. 
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#276956 - 08/03/2006 13:54
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[Re: Dignan]
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Well, no one here said it was rumored. There was only a post with a link to an obviously faked image of a handheld video player. I just pointed out that there was a device out there now that has a great screen and can play videos.
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#276957 - 08/03/2006 20:43
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Registered: 23/07/2003
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... obviously faked image of a handheld video player....
Ok, I'm curious. I can do some damage with Photoshop, and I don't see this. How is it "obviously fake"?
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#276958 - 08/03/2006 21:06
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Well, I suppose I don't have any real evidence, but Andy did say "if this were real", ISTR the web site saying that they were fake (though, in retrospect, I may have misread something), the brightness looks way off in the last picture, especially when compared to the reflection below it, and something seemed "off" about the middle one, which I've come to the conclusion is that the image seems to rest directly on the surface of the device, rather than a few millimeters inside it.
I could be wrong, though.
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#276959 - 08/03/2006 22:58
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Registered: 23/07/2003
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The only reason I ask is that it not only looks real to me, but is also the spitting image of what ThinkSecret hinted Apple was working on. I have yet to find them wrong.
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#276960 - 09/03/2006 01:01
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[Re: webroach]
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You have yet to find Thinksecret wrong? They're wrong on most points most of the time. I've never seen them post concise rumors. They always jump all over the map and provide so many details that regardless of what happens they'll get some right. They're doing what most of the fake psychics do. Just look at the recent press event or Macworld in January. The rumor sites were all spitting out countless product releases only to hit a few points of one or two products.
While working at my previous employer, we had prototype systems before anyone else outside of Apple. Often 6 months or more before anyone else. I'd read Thinksecret and other rumor sites every now and then and see how far off reality they were. There's no doubt some of their information did come from the inside. But a lot (and I do mean a LOT) was just complete BS and entirely fabricated. So many times it was clear to see the only reason they got even a few facts correct was by pure luck. We didn't work on the Mini, but I knew it was coming - and with integrated Intel graphics. And also knew it wouldn't be at Macworld. Big deal.
It will be quite coincidental if Apple releases something that looks like those images. First because identical images have been generated by countless people for over a month - I really don't know who made the first mockup. And of course because I don't remember seeing any Apple product scooped with accurate images before its release in the past. Just look at the BS about the Apple "boombox" recently.
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#276961 - 09/03/2006 02:51
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[Re: andym]
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I can't imagine that thing would have more than 45 minutes of battery life playing movies off a hard drive. You can throw some more RAM in it for caching, and you can scale videos to the rez of the screen, but it's still not going to last too long.
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#276962 - 09/03/2006 15:17
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I can't imagine that thing would have more than 45 minutes of battery life playing movies off a hard drive.
???
The 5G iPod plays movies off a hard drive...
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#276963 - 09/03/2006 15:43
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The 5G iPod plays movies off a hard drive...
Reviews seem to indicate that it gets 2 hours of life playing video. And it's got a screen half the size. Double the screen size won't use twice the power, but its bound to use quite a bit.
Matthew
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#276964 - 09/03/2006 16:06
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Reviews seem to indicate that it gets 2 hours of life playing video.
Really? Wow, I hadn't seen that. My appologies. I was under the impression it was much better than that. That makes me even more skeptical about seeing a thin PMP from Apple.
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#276965 - 09/03/2006 16:24
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Registered: 12/02/2002
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Apple seems to claim 2 to 3. It'll only get worse if they let you play movies that aren't specifically encoded for the iPod's tiny screen.
Matthew
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#276966 - 10/03/2006 00:27
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The iPod only allows video files with fairly specific formatting to be played. I generally get about three hours of video on mine with a full charge. But I don't really have it for videos. I have it as a portable MP3 player that just happens to allow videos. 
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#276967 - 10/03/2006 03:03
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I have it as a portable MP3 player that just happens to allow videos.
I guess that makes sense. They keep emphasizing that video is a second thought. Maybe the design of the video iPod will address some of these problems.
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#276968 - 12/03/2006 18:53
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at my previous employer, we had prototype systems before anyone else outside of Apple.
So if you happened to know *just* the right time to buy Apple stock, would that be considered insider trading? Oh wait, previous employer. Darn.
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#276969 - 12/03/2006 22:20
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In a strict sense, I suppose it could be considered insider trading if I were to have traded Apple stock. However the information I was aware of was not significant enough to give me a large advantage, or any at all for that matter. Unless there was a big event like Macworld, I didn't know when a product would be announced. And even though I knew how much money my employer would be getting for some of the contracts, trading our own stock was also a huge gamble. In simple terms, the product knowledge gave no advantage in trading the stock of either company - unfortunately.  Bruno
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#276970 - 05/04/2006 10:22
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[Re: andym]
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Hmmm wasn't there supposed to be a press conference from Apple on the 4th? I've not read anything 
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#276971 - 05/04/2006 10:26
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April 1st actually I think it is traditionally for Apple. I haven't seen anything. I'm ready to buy today too. Still looking at the Toshiba Gigabeats and the new unreleased S60 is looking pretty nice as an iPod video competitor. Not as good as what is here though (if it exists)
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#276972 - 05/04/2006 12:03
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I hope this wasn't it 
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#276973 - 05/04/2006 12:18
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[Re: CrackersMcCheese]
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Apple have been working on Boot Camp for a few months now, but as I mentioned in another thread, I'm surprised they didn't introduce one or two products - like a new iBook. I believe BC was supposed to be released on Monday and I think I know why it wasn't. I'm just glad they managed to do it today and not next month.
I don't believe anything official was ever mentioned about a press conference though. At least I didn't notice. April 1st being a Saturday was almost surely out, even though it was Apple's 30th anniversary.
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#276974 - 05/04/2006 14:31
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I'm pretty sure that Stevie said something about an announcement a while ago. I haven't tried to find a quote, but the guys at Engadget sounded suprised there wasn't an announcement either.
I didn't expect one on Saturday, but I thought there would be an invite sent out to journalists at least. Oh well, it's early in the month still. If there are no invites out by the 20th or something, then it will seem less likely that they'll have a press conference this month...
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#276975 - 01/06/2006 17:57
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Sorry to resurrect an old thread, but here's something small and relatively low capacity (flash memory) that does (limited) MPEG4 video on what is essentially the whole front of the device. Even uses the screen edges for the interface controls, though I wonder about that. Quote:
Blah blah blah
I'd love to see the iPod go full-surface screen.
Snip, snip snip
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#276976 - 01/06/2006 18:32
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Do any non-Apple products fit into an iPod docking station? Now that it's being directly supported by cars, boomboxes, and other assorted gizmos, there's no particular reason that somebody other than Apple couldn't do it (except, of course, patent restrictions...).
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#276977 - 01/06/2006 19:17
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Do any of the "directly supported by cars" gizmos not suck?
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#276978 - 02/06/2006 00:38
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Do any non-Apple products fit into an iPod docking station? Now that it's being directly supported by cars, boomboxes, and other assorted gizmos, there's no particular reason that somebody other than Apple couldn't do it (except, of course, patent restrictions...).
Apple have some very definite views about people doing that. It will be a brave company that is first to try it (or one with nothing to lose). Apple also have some technical tricks up their sleeves which would make this sort of thing very hard for products with certain functionality. Of course I can't talk about that at all.
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#276979 - 02/06/2006 05:36
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Apple have some very definite views about people doing that.
That's really too bad. Because our world would benefit from a universal car dock for portable MP3 players. If Apple wants car MP3 audio to be truly accepted in a widespread way, and wants their players to be the most-used players for this purpose, then they need to get THEIR docks into every car. And most car manufacturers won't do that if the dock is proprietary.
If Apple opens up their dock spec, and removes the proprietary and technical limitations to other people making dock-compatible players, then they will be the pioneers and leaders in a new market that will just explode. They're in the perfect position to do it right now.
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#276980 - 02/06/2006 11:13
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[Re: tfabris]
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carpal tunnel
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I think they're going the other route. Making the iPod ubiquitous. People won't think of anything else when they think of file-based digital audio, so if car manufacturers want to add value to their configurations, an iPod dock that's compatible only with iPod is as "universal" as they ever need get.
I still think iPod integration will continue to be a premium or "special edition" type offering for some time to come. Adoption rates for mainstream technology has grown tremendously in the past 10-15 years, so what I'm abut to say isn't a linear comparison, but think of how long it took car manufacturers to offer CD players as standard. The CD came to market in 1982.
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#276981 - 02/06/2006 12:56
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Sorry to resurrect an old thread, but here's something small and relatively low capacity (flash memory) that does (limited) MPEG4 video on what is essentially the whole front of the device. Even uses the screen edges for the interface controls, though I wonder about that.
The Clix is pretty, small, and supposedly the UI is very good. But there's no way that 2GB is going to be enough for anyone, really. I really wish they had made it twice (or four times) as large, stuck a 1.8" disk in there, and made something really fantastic. As it is it's probably good for riding the subway/bus into work in the mornings, but I still don't think I'd want to watch anything on that small a screen for an hour.
There's also the Samsung Sansa e270, which has 6GB and is about the size of the Nano (though about twice as thick). That has the same screen size problems, but it has more disk space and uses Micro SD expansion. I'm still not going to get it due to its size.
At the moment I think I have three choices:
1) wait for Apple to finally get around to the damn video iPod, although I'll still have to grapple with the thought of using iTunes (I do so love mass storage devices)
2) get an Archos AV5100 (nickname for the 100GB AV500). I had the AV530, but even that was too small for me when I factored in the video with the music. The 5100 is much bigger, but I love the disk space.
3) the Toshiba Gigabeat S. It's a pretty good looking device, I must say. It's got a respectable 60GB drive, and an okay-sized screen (although 2.4" might be pushing it).
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#276982 - 02/06/2006 17:00
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At the moment I think I have three choices:
1) wait for Apple to finally get around to the damn video iPod, although I'll still have to grapple with the thought of using iTunes (I do so love mass storage devices)
2) get an Archos AV5100 (nickname for the 100GB AV500). I had the AV530, but even that was too small for me when I factored in the video with the music. The 5100 is much bigger, but I love the disk space.
3) the Toshiba Gigabeat S. It's a pretty good looking device, I must say. It's got a respectable 60GB drive, and an okay-sized screen (although 2.4" might be pushing it).
Have you seen the Cowon A2?
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