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#286368 - 05/09/2006 15:43 Apple launch on September 12th
rob
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Apple have a worldwide press launch on the 12th, which is generally assumed to be for the new ITMS movie download service. However there are also rumours that a video streaming device is to be launched to further (jump start?) their inroads into the living room.

Any good conjecture?

Rob

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#286369 - 05/09/2006 18:17 Re: Apple launch on September 12th [Re: rob]
DWallach
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A gratuitous summary of what I've seen on rumor web sites:

- 23" iMac
- all iMacs upgraded with Core 2 Duo ("Merom") processors
- next-gen iPod Nano with colored aluminum skins (as in the earlier iPod Mini)
- bigger hard disks in 5G iPod Video
- some kind of video streaming variant on the AirPort Extreme

Notably missing from the rumors:

- Some kind of larger-screened video iPod, perhaps more suitable for movie watching
- Upgrades to the Mac Mini

That last point annoys me, because I've been planning to replace my aging G4 tower (dual 1GHz) with a Core 2 Duo Mac Mini. Hopefully, such a beast will be announced along with the upgraded iMac line. (I've already got a perfectly froody large LCD screen, so there's no point in spending the bucks for an iMac, plus the long-term plan is to press the Mac Mini into home theater duties.)

I have, and still use, a 2nd-generation iPod (20GB, purchased before the Rio portables were announced). I have to remember to charge it up before every time I might use it, since it suffers from the bad battery syndrome that resulted in a class action lawsuit against Apple and for which I got a $50 coupon toward the Apple store as part of the settlement. I expect the next-gen iPod Nano will make a fine replacement.

The video-streaming AirPort Extreme, if true, represents an interesting point in the design space. Maybe it will run a snazzified version of Apple's FrontRow. For bandwidth control, it will have to do the video decompression internally, but an interesting question is how it will deal with GUIs from the computer. I would guess they'd go for something simple and dumb like VNC. If they did that, it would have the potential to be very extensible, yet still quite cheap (not entirely unlike the design of the Slim Devices Squeezebox).

This leads to an interesting decision I'll need to make. I presently have an Infrant RAID box with 4x250GB of storage. I started ripping my DVD collection (uncompressed) and promptly filled it up, with many DVDs left to go. I could pursue a variety of different strategies going forward...
1) Buy 4x500GB or 4x750GB disks to replace the 4x250GB disks. Is there any resale value for Seagate 250GB SATA disks?
2) Sell the whole RAID box, disks and all, and buy a bigger RAID box.
3) Sell the whole RAID box and get a MacPro, loaded with big disks.

Options #1 and #2 work with the assumption of a Mac Mini as the home theater device, and NFS as the protocol for talking to the storage. Option #3 would be much faster, of course, but this depends on the alleged AirPort Extreme replacement being reasonable and sufficiently general. Can remotely display arbitrary Mac apps or can it only run some FrontRow variant?

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#286370 - 05/09/2006 18:34 Re: Apple launch on September 12th [Re: DWallach]
Dignan
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Quote:
Notably missing from the rumors:

- Some kind of larger-screened video iPod, perhaps more suitable for movie watching

I don't think that counts. At this point I think the video iPod is a perpetual rumor that everyone has expected for months and months but never shows up. I think it's well within Apple's ability to release one, but they aren't. The best reason I've heard is that they hadn't gotten all their movie liscensing deals in order. That would seem to be a good sign if they make a big announcement about downloadable movies (would that make it ITMMS now?)
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#286371 - 05/09/2006 19:18 Re: Apple launch on September 12th [Re: Dignan]
DWallach
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Also notably missing are any laptop upgrades (Core 2 Duo + MacPro = competitive laptop) or the mythical Apple pen tablet, which is probably even less likely than the full-screen video iPod.

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#286372 - 05/09/2006 23:45 Re: Apple launch on September 12th [Re: DWallach]
hybrid8
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My guess is for the upgraded MacBook Pros. I won't say much on the subject, but anyone who knows where I *used* to work should be able to guess why I suspect this...

But I also hope we see new iPod nano models (as I need to buy one for my girlfriend - her birthday was this past Saturday and I bought her an Nike+iPod sport kit and told her the iPod nano would be coming after i'd confirmed rumors of a new model)
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#286373 - 05/09/2006 23:58 Re: Apple launch on September 12th [Re: hybrid8]
DWallach
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Digression: how hard is it to shoehorn the sensor into a non-Nike shoe? I'd be tempted to get this, but Nike shoes don't fit me...

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#286374 - 06/09/2006 00:48 Re: Apple launch on September 12th [Re: DWallach]
Dignan
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Digression: how hard is it to shoehorn the sensor into a non-Nike shoe? I'd be tempted to get this, but Nike shoes don't fit me...

Good news!
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#286375 - 06/09/2006 01:06 Re: Apple launch on September 12th [Re: hybrid8]
loren
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My guess is for the upgraded MacBook Pros. I won't say much on the subject, but anyone who knows where I *used* to work should be able to guess why I suspect this...


Man I hope so. No one seems to think this is the case on the rumor sites. I've been itching to get my hands on a MacBook Pro 2.0 for a while now.
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#286376 - 06/09/2006 05:14 Re: Apple launch on September 12th [Re: loren]
drakino
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Man I hope so. No one seems to think this is the case on the rumor sites.


It's why I stopped paying any attention to the rumor sites so long ago. I'm sure they are getting slightly more accurate these days since the processors used inside the Macs are the same Intel processors everyone else uses. A simple look at a roadmap gives people an idea when something new might come out. Beyond that, it's all wild speculation and wishful thinking , usually fueled by some blog post somewhere with "my brothers cousins second daughters husband who works at Apple said...".

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#286377 - 06/09/2006 12:29 Re: Apple launch on September 12th [Re: DWallach]
Dignan
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A gratuitous summary of what I've seen on rumor web sites:

- 23" iMac

Well, not 23", and I guess we know one thing that won't be revealed on the 12th.
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#286378 - 06/09/2006 13:38 Re: Apple launch on September 12th [Re: Dignan]
wfaulk
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Better yet, go buy yourself a pair of Roos.
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#286379 - 06/09/2006 14:33 Re: Apple launch on September 12th [Re: loren]
hybrid8
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If they don't do new MacBook Pro models on the 12th, it may be what they'll do later in the month at Photokina - perhaps with Aperture 2.0? I don't have any information regarding event/announcement plans of course, so that much is just specilation based on the announced dates coinciding with other information.
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#286380 - 06/09/2006 16:55 Re: Apple launch on September 12th [Re: Dignan]
DWallach
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Okay, now we have a 24" iMac, and all iMacs have Core 2 Duos ("Merom"). Lovely. All Mac Minis are now Core Duo (the original) and not even the fastest ones. Very annoying. This means the Sept. 12 announcement is almost certainly all about the iPod and/or new laptops.

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#286381 - 06/09/2006 17:21 Re: Apple launch on September 12th [Re: DWallach]
hybrid8
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The speedbump to the minis was a very simple procedure for them. Just a chip swap. I'm almost certain you won't see something significantly better until their new revisions come out. And that could very well have something to do with heat and a desire for a more impactful update (which takes more time). The minis were but a footnote by comparison to the iMacs. I'd expect more on the mini front by January.
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#286382 - 08/09/2006 08:51 Re: Apple launch on September 12th [Re: rob]
altman
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I'll be in Cupertino for the event - a chance to see what these events are like from the other side at last!

On the downside, it also means that I miss the empeg meet (well, friday/saturday - fingers crossed they'll let me come home at the weekend so I can join in sunday in a very jetlagged way!)

Hugo

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#286383 - 11/09/2006 14:55 Re: Apple launch on September 12th [Re: rob]
Dignan
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And the mill keeps churning.
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#286384 - 11/09/2006 20:13 Re: Apple launch on September 12th [Re: Dignan]
andym
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And the mill keeps churning.


If that were to be true, the PSP I've just bought will be going on Ebay immediately.
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#286385 - 12/09/2006 15:39 Re: Apple launch on September 12th [Re: DWallach]
drakino
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- next-gen iPod Nano with colored aluminum skins (as in the earlier iPod Mini)
- bigger hard disks in 5G iPod Video


So far these are accurate. The nano is now 2/4/8gb. Also a new smaller metal shuffle at 1gb. And finally after 5 years, gapless playback.

TV shows on iTunes will also now be 640x480, so the quality might be actually decent now on a TV sized screen.

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#286386 - 12/09/2006 16:01 Re: Apple launch on September 12th [Re: drakino]
matthew_k
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Registered: 12/02/2002
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Loc: Berkeley, California
iTV sounds cool. Everything else was as expected, down to the lack of the touchscreen iPod.

Matthew

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#286387 - 12/09/2006 16:01 Re: Apple launch on September 12th [Re: drakino]
Dignan
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Quote:
- some kind of video streaming variant on the AirPort Extreme

And lastly it looks like this is sort of true. They've shown the iTV (for which they're thankfully thinking up a new name):



Quote:
802.11
USB2
Ehternet
HDMI connector for all new big-screen flat panel TVs
Component video (RGB)
analog audio RCA jacks
Optical audio
Controled with the familiar white remote
Hooks directly to your screen or to your set-top box as another input, or to your receiver.
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#286388 - 12/09/2006 17:41 Re: Apple launch on September 12th [Re: Dignan]
rob
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I'd definitely get one if content could be purchased in the UK (or even if it could just play content acquired elsewhere).

Rob

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#286389 - 12/09/2006 17:44 Re: Apple launch on September 12th [Re: rob]
wfaulk
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iTunes can house all sorts of videos, not just ones you get from iTMS. So I don't see why it couldn't be used to play arbitrary videos. Of course, you might still have the issue of whether it can attach to your TV.
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#286390 - 12/09/2006 17:48 Re: Apple launch on September 12th [Re: rob]
Cris
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Nope, still not good enough for me to buy an iPod. Maybe they'll get me on the next gen. All they seem to be doing is adding new bits to the same box.

Cheers

Cris.

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#286391 - 12/09/2006 18:02 Re: Apple launch on September 12th [Re: wfaulk]
rob
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Posts: 5335
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Of course, you might still have the issue of whether it can attach to your TV.

With HDMI it'll likely be the first thing that *properly* connects to my TV (unless the PS3 shows up first).

Rob

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#286392 - 12/09/2006 18:05 Re: Apple launch on September 12th [Re: Cris]
CrackersMcCheese
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Yup - hyped-up nonsense [yawn]. They've not persuaded me yet.

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#286393 - 12/09/2006 18:41 Re: Apple launch on September 12th [Re: Cris]
BartDG
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Nope, still not good enough for me to buy an iPod. Maybe they'll get me on the next gen. All they seem to be doing is adding new bits to the same box.


Indeed. Steph bought me one for my birthday, but apart from the design (which I think is superb!), there nothing about it that I like very much. I can't say I find it very handy, and iTunes for some reason just doesn't agree with me.
I still like my Carbon and RMM *way* better than the Nano/iTunes combo...
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#286394 - 12/09/2006 19:42 Re: Apple launch on September 12th [Re: BartDG]
DWallach
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I just ordered an 8GB iPod Nano to replace my ancient 2nd-gen iPod. I'm also going to try out the Nike+iPod running attachment to see how well that works. I wonder whether it will interfere with my heart rate monitor. Seems like a setting, in a bad scifi flick, for something to go horribly awry.

The iTV thing may be utterly brilliant or may just be useless crap. A lot of that depends on what it does and doesn't support. If it's got a VNC-style remote display protocol, then it could turn your TV into a full-blown remote terminal for your computer. The million-dollar question is whether Apple will have licensed HD content available for download and/or whether this thing will be useful as a remote DVD player. Imagine if Apple supported DVD ripping / compression and managed to keep the DVD menus intact. That would be a hell of a winner, but it's probably held back as much by Hollywood politics as any technical issues. If we're lucky (or Apple's hardware people were sufficiently clever), then the protocols will be easy to reverse engineer and third-party hackers will add in all the necessary functionality.

Of course, you could just shell out the extra bucks for a Mac Mini, hook that into the home theater, and be done with it. (Which is what it looks like I'll be doing when I eventually get myself a shiny new flat panel...)

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#286395 - 12/09/2006 22:37 Re: Apple launch on September 12th [Re: drakino]
jarredduq
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Registered: 27/09/2000
Posts: 89
Loc: California, USA
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finally after 5 years, gapless playback.


It looks like Hugo is already having influence!

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#286396 - 12/09/2006 23:58 Re: Apple launch on September 12th [Re: jarredduq]
eliceo
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arg, the only black nano is the 8gb model

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#286397 - 13/09/2006 01:09 Re: Apple launch on September 12th [Re: drakino]
matthew_k
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Interesting, how many years late is this:


Matthew


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#286398 - 13/09/2006 06:10 Re: Apple launch on September 12th [Re: jarredduq]
rob
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finally after 5 years, gapless playback.


It looks like Hugo is already having influence!

They've been working on this for years that I know of. I don't know why, it's not like it's that hard really, unless of course your product is based on a third party SDK which is a pile of crap.

Rob

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#286399 - 13/09/2006 13:54 Re: Apple launch on September 12th [Re: Cris]
drakino
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#286400 - 13/09/2006 16:21 Re: Apple launch on September 12th [Re: drakino]
hybrid8
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Damn, I had it on good authority they would release a Bernie Mac Edition iPod.

I did order a blue iPod nano for my girlfriend yesterday afternoon. It was for her birthday, which was on September 2nd. Luckily she was ok with waiting until this week as I told her newer models were coming out. The Nike+iPod sport kit (which I did buy in the 2nd) is still waiting here in its box for the iPod.

Does anyone recall if the new search feature works on the nano as well? And does anyone know if the nanos (for that matter any of the iPods) have crossfading?
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#286401 - 13/09/2006 19:16 Re: Apple launch on September 12th [Re: hybrid8]
drakino
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Does anyone recall if the new search feature works on the nano as well? And does anyone know if the nanos (for that matter any of the iPods) have crossfading?


From looking at apple.com and the features on the Nano vs the iPod, search seems to be missing on the Nano. Search is on the bottom of the music menu on the ipod, but if you go to audiobook on the nano page, that appears to be the last entry. The tech specs do show a game on screen on the nano though, so it seems those work.

As far as crossfading, thats doubtful. They just got gapless working, so give them another 3 years of forced hardware upgrades to get crossfading in.

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#286402 - 13/09/2006 20:56 Re: Apple launch on September 12th [Re: drakino]
hybrid8
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Search is definitely part of the new nano software. I didn't see it on their site either, but just take a look at the photos on this guy's flickr page.

The news on the weeb is that Microsoft will be launching the Zune tomorrow at an invite-only event. Hopefully its agressive features will put some pressure on Apple to kick up the iPod. I'm hoping the current 5.5G (as it's being called) is just a stop-gap until they come to market with a larger screen version with some form of wireless connectivity (it would have to have been in development for some time and may or may not just be delayed). But of course let's see what MS' software platform does with all these reported hardware features.

I'm about to set up my entire music library in iTunes for the first time ever. I've only used iTunes here and there to play single tracks and to develop things like our remote software. I'll be using an external 250GB drive to hold the collection - hopefully I won't have any issues with the removable device. This will finally let my girlfriend do her own music management for loading/unloading her portable player. She never got into RMM with her old player. Of course we never loaded a significant amount of music onto that system either.
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#286403 - 13/09/2006 22:22 Re: Apple launch on September 12th [Re: hybrid8]
drakino
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#286404 - 16/09/2006 17:24 Re: Apple launch on September 12th [Re: matthew_k]
altman
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Their search is quite nice, as it's a full grep. Not screamingly fast, though, the search just seems to run in the background and deliver results as and when it finds them. Not as fast as the phone keypad style search we're all used to

Hugo

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#286405 - 17/09/2006 04:28 Re: Apple launch on September 12th [Re: altman]
loren
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Bummer it doesn't work on the original 5G iPods. I was excited for a bit.
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#286406 - 17/09/2006 13:31 Re: Apple launch on September 12th [Re: loren]
hybrid8
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This has to be a firmware update at most. See if there are any petitions online or anywhere generating any kind of buzz that Apple might notice. Get that puppy dugg and I'm sure Apple will eventually cave and offer the feature for the 5G. The new ones after all are just 5.1G anyway.
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