#292259 - 28/06/2007 06:18
Re: Apple iPhone announced.
[Re: wfaulk]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 10/06/1999
Posts: 5916
Loc: Wivenhoe, Essex, UK
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I've had phones in the past that locked up enough that the only way to recover was to remove the battery. I mean, I guess you could maybe wait for the battery to run completely down, but that's bound to be days.
All the phones I have ever owned have locked up enough at one time or another to require the battery to be removed. In fact it is hard to think of a piece of electronics more complex than a VCR that has not at one point needed its power removed to restart it (ok I can think of one exception, the reset button on the Psion 3 always managed to restart on the very rare occasions that they hung).
We had better hope that the iPhone's power/reset button is very reliable...
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#292260 - 28/06/2007 12:39
Re: Apple iPhone announced.
[Re: andy]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 30/04/2000
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On the iPod Nano (2G), Apple has a Vulcan Nerve Pinch (holding down the menu button and the select button), which I was forced to use quite often when I first got it (the new software releases seem better). Presumably, they engineered something similar into the iPhone. That won't solve any conspiracy theory issues, but it should at least keep the thing running. (BTW, Steve Bellovin and others wrote a great report about the difficulty of supporting wiretapping in VoIP networks. There's also some discussion of cell phone tracking. Fun read.)
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#292261 - 29/06/2007 00:07
Re: Apple iPhone announced.
[Re: loren]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 17/12/2000
Posts: 2665
Loc: Manteca, California
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The point of being able to remove the battery is that you can, absolutely positively, shut the thing off when necessary.
What am I missing here? Does the power button on your phone not completely turn your phone off?
I doubt any currently produced cell phone really shuts down when the power button is pressed.
Many governments work hand in hand with their industries to do industrial and commercial espionage.
One example, I was briefed on, had to do with a meeting in France. One of the visitors noticed when one of his opposites flashed one of the documents under discussion. It was complete with all of the visitor's margin notes, made the day before. The same document had been either in his possession or stored in a place that should not have been available for copying without burglary.
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#292262 - 29/06/2007 13:17
Re: Apple iPhone announced.
[Re: jbauer]
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#292263 - 29/06/2007 15:58
Re: Apple iPhone announced.
[Re: jbauer]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31604
Loc: Seattle, WA
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I heard a guy on the radio this morning who was going to *sell his place in line* in front of an apple store...
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#292264 - 29/06/2007 23:17
Re: Apple iPhone announced.
[Re: jbauer]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 08/06/1999
Posts: 7868
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 First impressions, slick. Between activation, initial sync, and such, very well integrated. It has my mail already and everything, just sucked down all the setting from my Mac. Now to get my coworkers to stop playing with it so I can use it.
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#292266 - 29/06/2007 23:41
Re: Apple iPhone announced.
[Re: gbeer]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 08/06/1999
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So why is the screen backwards? left for right.
I took the picture with my iSight on the Macbook, and Photobooth reverses things to act how mirrors do. I didn't flip it before posting, didn't notice till after it was uploaded.
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#292267 - 29/06/2007 23:53
Re: Apple iPhone announced.
[Re: webroach]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 06/10/1999
Posts: 2591
Loc: Seattle, WA, U.S.A.
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Honestly, do you keep your battery out of your phone unless you have to make a call?
Intresting. The local NBC affilaite just carried a story about a Seattle-area family that claims to be the victim of somebody who is a cell phone stalker: turns their phones on remotely, takes their picture, stuff like that. The interviewed detective from King County Sheriff's office said something along the lines of "What a time suck! We've never heard of anything like this!". So maybe the "victims" have been reading the tinfoil hat sites. Or not?
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#292268 - 29/06/2007 23:54
Re: Apple iPhone announced.
[Re: drakino]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 06/10/1999
Posts: 2591
Loc: Seattle, WA, U.S.A.
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No buttons  Can we get some buttons?
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#292269 - 30/06/2007 00:32
Re: Apple iPhone announced.
[Re: jimhogan]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 19/09/2002
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There's a button kind of where the microphone is, right?
Tom, nice one! Does the web browser flip to widescreen when you rotate the device? That's a tempting feature.
I don't understand how people could be "camping out in line" for an iPhone when they were released at 6pm. Were they camping out IN the store for the last nine hours?
I'd love to see how the iPhone feeding frenzy compared to the Wii. Damn STILL can't buy a Wii on Amazon, and my local bog box stores say "they haven't seen one in a while." I refuse to pay the online scalper!
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#292270 - 30/06/2007 01:38
Re: Apple iPhone announced.
[Re: FireFox31]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 08/06/1999
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The mic is on the bottom edge of the device along with the speaker. The one button on the front is a real button, and always returns you home when pressing it. The top edge has one real button as well, for turning it on and sleeping it. The left side has 3 buttons total, one for muting the iphone ringer, and two for volume up and down.
The browser does flip to widescreen just by tilting the device. The tilting seems odd to me though. Some things do it automatically like the YouTube channel and iPod videos, but quicktime videos off the web can be played in either orientation. Also, email and some of the other apps don't flip, so it seems kinda inconsistent. I can understand why some apps don't do it though.
As for the campouts, all Apple stores closed at 2pm and AT&T stores at 4pm to prepare. Apple stores were weird, they covered the front windows with black tarps, I'll upload a picture later. There were about 250 or so people waiting for the opening at 6pm at the north Austin store, including a few Apple employees (they have a big support center 2 miles from the store here). Apple provided us with tons of free water, and some of the other vendors in the complex gave us free stuff too. Had some pizza, starbucks and other water brought to us while waiting. Really cool actually.
Apple.com is showing a 2-4 week wait for orders of either version of the phone. The store I waited at said they still have some at 10pm, but they don't think they will last past tomorrow morning. Couldn't get the number they got though, so either it's popular on launch, or the quantities are limited.
Oh, one thing that didn't sync was my wireless networks. Not a big deal for my home network, but would have been cool to see the phone grab my wireless password off my Mac during the initial sync like it did my mail account password.
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#292271 - 30/06/2007 04:53
Re: Apple iPhone announced.
[Re: drakino]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 08/06/1999
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For those wondering about OS X on it, looks like crash dumps are going to provide a lot of insight into how it is setup on the phone. I got a popup when I went to sync asking if I would allow info to be sent to Apple with a choice to see the data, and found this:
Process: MobilePhone [30]
Path: /Applications/MobilePhone.app/MobilePhone
Version: N/A (N/A)
Code Type: 0000000C (Native)
Effective UID: 0
Parent Process: SpringBoard [15]
Date/Time: 2007-06-30 00:08:11.607 -0500
OS Version: OS X 1.0 (1A543a)
Report Version: 6
Exception Type: EXC_BAD_ACCESS
Exception Codes: KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE at 0x00000004
Crashed Thread: 0
Thread 0 Crashed:
0 AddressBookUI 0x325991c0 0x32595000 + 16832
1 UIKit 0x323f8f3c 0x323ab000 + 319292
2 UIKit 0x323f7fe0 0x323ab000 + 315360
3 UIKit 0x323f80f8 0x323ab000 + 315640
4 UIKit 0x323f82b0 0x323ab000 + 316080
5 UIKit 0x323da7ac 0x323ab000 + 194476
6 UIKit 0x323dd530 0x323ab000 + 206128
7 UIKit 0x323f963c 0x323ab000 + 321084
8 UIKit 0x323dac88 0x323ab000 + 195720
9 UIKit 0x323df114 0x323ab000 + 213268
10 UIKit 0x323f9850 0x323ab000 + 321616
11 AddressBookUI 0x3259cde0 0x32595000 + 32224
12 AddressBookUI 0x3259b6ec 0x32595000 + 26348
13 MobilePhone 0x0000f884 0x1000 + 59524
14 MobilePhone 0x000102b4 0x1000 + 62132
15 CoreFoundation 0x304239af 0x303e7000 + 248239
16 CoreFoundation 0x304128df 0x303e7000 + 178399
17 CoreFoundation 0x3041e6b5 0x303e7000 + 226997
18 CoreTelephony 0x3081f4ad 0x3081a000 + 21677
19 CoreTelephony 0x3082e185 0x3081a000 + 82309
20 CoreTelephony 0x30820a17 0x3081a000 + 27159
21 CoreTelephony 0x30827d77 0x3081a000 + 56695
22 CoreTelephony 0x3081f4ff 0x3081a000 + 21759
23 CoreFoundation 0x30407c89 0x303e7000 + 134281
24 CoreFoundation 0x303fdcbd 0x303e7000 + 93373
25 CoreFoundation 0x303fd5fb 0x303e7000 + 91643
26 GraphicsServices 0x3098bb64 0x30988000 + 15204
27 UIKit 0x323b9928 0x323ab000 + 59688
28 UIKit 0x323b1f54 0x323ab000 + 28500
29 UIKit 0x323b75dc 0x323ab000 + 50652
30 MobilePhone 0x00005e9c 0x1000 + 20124
31 MobilePhone 0x00005da4 0x1000 + 19876
Thread 1:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x300053f4 0x30000000 + 21492
1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x30005373 0x30000000 + 21363
2 GraphicsServices 0x3098e258 0x30988000 + 25176
3 libSystem.B.dylib 0x300173db 0x30000000 + 95195
Thread 2:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x30018fd8 0x30000000 + 102360
1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x3009aa64 0x30000000 + 633444
2 libSystem.B.dylib 0x300173db 0x30000000 + 95195
Thread 0 crashed with ARM Thread State:
r0: 0x00000000 r1: 0x325ca540 r2: 0x001520b0 r3: 0x00000000
r4: 0x00000000 r5: 0x00000000 r6: 0x001522f0 r7: 0x2ffff024
r8: 0x3a3d3d1c r9: 0x3800da94 r10: 0x00000000 r11: 0x00000017
ip: 0x32596cb8 sp: 0x2ffff020 lr: 0x325991b8 pc: 0x325991c0
cpsr: 0x200f0010 instr: 0xe5900004
Binary Images:
0x1000 - 0x72fff +MobilePhone UUID (C9C59FA87BE14C20A65FF75810168449) /Applications/MobilePhone.app/MobilePhone
0x2fe00000 - 0x2fe39fff dyld UUID (64B27A87A815459D953C3260809F811A) /usr/lib/dyld
0x30000000 - 0x300fdfff libSystem.B.dylib UUID (DBF276FD7536468A8EC31DC5889AAEC7) /usr/lib/libSystem.B.dylib
0x3015d000 - 0x3019efff libstdc++.6.dylib UUID (CD0A5DCC6A164C86B91C79E15C552E9E) /usr/lib/libstdc++.6.dylib
0x301c7000 - 0x301d4fff AddressBook UUID (7D1B2DA0EC1D4A1382D5FE0B91851ACA) /System/Library/Frameworks/AddressBook.framework/AddressBook
0x301de000 - 0x301e7fff AppSupport UUID (4D84C1C39C7C4DB9981FEBF8E48FF450) /System/Library/Frameworks/AppSupport.framework/AppSupport
0x301ef000 - 0x30236fff CFNetwork UUID (9C95278D4B12440EB624E498C039538B) /System/Library/Frameworks/CFNetwork.framework/CFNetwork
0x3026d000 - 0x3032cfff Celestial UUID (15045615F83249D49720253EBDF9132A) /System/Library/Frameworks/Celestial.framework/Celestial
0x3036b000 - 0x303bcfff CoreAudio UUID (D2155600AF2A4EA2A22CB018E094AF48) /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreAudio.framework/CoreAudio
0x303e7000 - 0x30460fff CoreFoundation UUID (DE3331E0CE4D43DFAFAD084E689DE12F) /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreFoundation.framework/CoreFoundation
0x30513000 - 0x307aafff CoreGraphics UUID (FDAFC52F5C724EB6BADC1176558E5304) /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreGraphics.framework/CoreGraphics
0x3081a000 - 0x30835fff CoreTelephony UUID (7B909435DABA409098995CC24EE26587) /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreTelephony.framework/CoreTelephony
0x3084b000 - 0x30855fff CoreVideo UUID (0CC5832A160D4508B4B678703F3FFD6C) /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreVideo.framework/CoreVideo
0x3085e000 - 0x30909fff Foundation UUID (8360F6E9E0044FDBB24A233E6A43EB14) /System/Library/Frameworks/Foundation.framework/Foundation
0x30988000 - 0x30990fff GraphicsServices UUID (1C4876C189F34562ACF6B7D44770FF97) /System/Library/Frameworks/GraphicsServices.framework/GraphicsServices
0x30998000 - 0x30a20fff IOKit UUID (03E5752F94E3424589F1C596ED08815D) /System/Library/Frameworks/IOKit.framework/Versions/A/IOKit
0x30a3c000 - 0x30a9bfff JavaScriptCore UUID (4479A3420C764FA395933A371D148D6D) /System/Library/Frameworks/JavaScriptCore.framework/JavaScriptCore
0x30ac7000 - 0x30b17fff LayerKit UUID (B9468BD4F4F041C3ADA50B830305E7A2) /System/Library/Frameworks/LayerKit.framework/LayerKit
0x30b37000 - 0x30b3ffff MBX2D UUID (1583F2C2C78B4058BD8C1DF338738C05) /System/Library/Frameworks/MBX2D.framework/MBX2D
0x30b43000 - 0x30be9fff Message UUID (27857D95241E4AFCB70B016C3AA5C8C6) /System/Library/Frameworks/Message.framework/Message
0x30ca8000 - 0x30d5efff libcrypto.0.9.7.dylib UUID (632A0B6896CD450582B63F63BC561999) /usr/lib/libcrypto.0.9.7.dylib
0x30d97000 - 0x30e7ffff libiconv.2.dylib UUID (BFF8FECDB7AF4996AA7E47BA4E9D7A97) /usr/lib/libiconv.2.dylib
0x30e8a000 - 0x30e99fff libobjc.A.dylib UUID (1DF02759041D49AF9938563D172FC491) /usr/lib/libobjc.A.dylib
0x30ea3000 - 0x30f76fff libicucore.A.dylib UUID (C7BEFA4022D2414DBD2EF88A0285AC8E) /usr/lib/libicucore.A.dylib
0x3101c000 - 0x31047fff libsqlite3.0.dylib UUID (2F122880FFAC48318A753E1D788E7409) /usr/lib/libsqlite3.0.dylib
0x31065000 - 0x3108bfff libssl.0.9.7.dylib UUID (57F8FB4B1D104F8083173EBE067B613E) /usr/lib/libssl.0.9.7.dylib
0x31097000 - 0x31127fff libxml2.2.dylib UUID (EB77B5D5553B41659DA3EABDFF5E990E) /usr/lib/libxml2.2.dylib
0x31206000 - 0x312d2fff MeCCA UUID (5031D4A8F03B4605A6233D351EF790E0) /System/Library/Frameworks/MeCCA.framework/MeCCA
0x3131a000 - 0x31341fff Security UUID (7596924807BF47BA9F50D5748042107A) /System/Library/Frameworks/Security.framework/Security
0x31351000 - 0x31641fff WebCore UUID (F352EB10A6EB4A53963DC586589CDEFD) /System/Library/Frameworks/WebCore.framework/WebCore
0x31782000 - 0x317d6fff WebKit UUID (1AF51C0F747D47709E1ABBB0A117FC91) /System/Library/Frameworks/WebKit.framework/WebKit
0x31813000 - 0x3183cfff SystemConfiguration UUID (7FCD389840814C6EB34074C7787862D1) /System/Library/Frameworks/SystemConfiguration.framework/SystemConfiguration
0x318d1000 - 0x318dffff libz.1.dylib UUID (019DB9B198DA46E98600C1417D98E6E9) /usr/lib/libz.1.dylib
0x3190e000 - 0x31910fff CoreSurface UUID (7280076DC074497CB145741A15FCE472) /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreSurface.framework/CoreSurface
0x3196a000 - 0x31973fff libIOAudio2User.dylib UUID (BB1533CF70F645FBAF6BB767A6A531A7) /usr/lib/libIOAudio2User.dylib
0x3197a000 - 0x31ab7fff AudioToolbox UUID (3049B1E982804982B3AE837C9367769D) /System/Library/Frameworks/AudioToolbox.framework/AudioToolbox
0x31baf000 - 0x31bb1fff MBXConnect UUID (B5E73A95A84E4706A922D56674D4809D) /System/Library/Frameworks/MBXConnect.framework/MBXConnect
0x31bb4000 - 0x31be5fff OpenGLES UUID (3405A88B732E4DF3A127E182483D9E69) /System/Library/Frameworks/OpenGLES.framework/OpenGLES
0x31bf8000 - 0x31bf9fff IOMobileFramebuffer UUID (AE80733EB6514BB88A6287971C7E09C9) /System/Library/Frameworks/IOMobileFramebuffer.framework/IOMobileFramebuffer
0x31c38000 - 0x31c3ffff libgcc_s_v6.1.dylib UUID (C3CE0B41C9CA490EAEADA6D7EB997082) /usr/lib/libgcc_s_v6.1.dylib
0x31db9000 - 0x31dbcfff liblockdown.dylib UUID (30A0EB0C05724FA487617B860E360B88) /usr/lib/liblockdown.dylib
0x3225d000 - 0x32269fff MobileBluetooth UUID (5F13101DF17B442D8DE5CD0BDB50D7AB) /System/Library/Frameworks/MobileBluetooth.framework/MobileBluetooth
0x3226f000 - 0x32273fff BluetoothManager UUID (E00ECB53D4B5426A818DA8D77CD1B09C) /System/Library/Frameworks/BluetoothManager.framework/BluetoothManager
0x32363000 - 0x32366fff ITSync UUID (B02A31E7730A46BCA6B336F097D542C4) /System/Library/Frameworks/ITSync.framework/ITSync
0x3236b000 - 0x3236dfff URLify UUID (54B6437BCD3A452F9CC7493CB9E010FF) /System/Library/Frameworks/URLify.framework/URLify
0x323ab000 - 0x324f3fff UIKit UUID (8A129F9979114365B637E144A3C67868) /System/Library/Frameworks/UIKit.framework/UIKit
0x32595000 - 0x325d4fff AddressBookUI UUID (0E6FBEAA0D9C411FB1F0794F35D2CFBA) /System/Library/Frameworks/AddressBookUI.framework/AddressBookUI
0x32632000 - 0x32641fff TelephonyUI UUID (15006830A8B94F7590AC10CBB664D0E7) /System/Library/Frameworks/TelephonyUI.framework/TelephonyUI
0x326d8000 - 0x32702fff Preferences UUID (26FA104E4D88438285B988DDADDE39D6) /System/Library/Frameworks/Preferences.framework/Preferences
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#292272 - 01/07/2007 11:28
Re: Apple iPhone announced.
[Re: andy]
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old hand
Registered: 14/01/2002
Posts: 931
Loc: Minnetonka, MN
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Does it have visualizations for the ipod part of the iphone?
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#292273 - 01/07/2007 12:17
Re: Apple iPhone announced.
[Re: drakino]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 19/09/2002
Posts: 2494
Loc: East Coast, USA
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So hang on, you waited a mere 4 hours while others waited four days? And they still had some in stock after the 250 person feeding frenzy? Nintendo, take note. Quote:
0x3015d000 - 0x3019efff libstdc++.6.dylib UUID (CD0A5DCC6A164C86B91C79E15C552E9E) /usr/lib/libstdc++.6.dylib
"Does your phone run Unix?" Someone will get a command prompt on here in no time!
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#292274 - 01/07/2007 13:50
Re: Apple iPhone announced.
[Re: FireFox31]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 24/12/2001
Posts: 5528
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"Does your phone run Unix?" Someone will get a command prompt on here in no time!
There have been phones that run Linux for ages now. The vast majority are still running a proprietory OS or Symbian.
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#292275 - 01/07/2007 14:06
Re: Apple iPhone announced.
[Re: gbeer]
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addict
Registered: 23/12/2002
Posts: 652
Loc: Winston Salem, NC
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So why is the screen backwards? left for right.
Maybe he reads everything in Arabic? 
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#292276 - 01/07/2007 21:05
Re: Apple iPhone announced.
[Re: jimhogan]
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Honestly, do you keep your battery out of your phone unless you have to make a call?
Intresting. The local NBC affilaite just carried a story about a Seattle-area family that claims to be the victim of somebody who is a cell phone stalker: turns their phones on remotely, takes their picture, stuff like that. The interviewed detective from King County Sheriff's office said something along the lines of "What a time suck! We've never heard of anything like this!". So maybe the "victims" have been reading the tinfoil hat sites. Or not?
I guess you didn't read the link I posted on page 6 
http://www.thenewstribune.com/front/topphoto/story/91460.html
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#292277 - 02/07/2007 01:18
Re: Apple iPhone announced.
[Re: wfaulk]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 19/05/1999
Posts: 3457
Loc: Palo Alto, CA
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What am I missing here? Does the power button on your phone not completely turn your phone off?
I don't know if this is what he was talking about or not, but I've had phones in the past that locked up enough that the only way to recover was to remove the battery. I mean, I guess you could maybe wait for the battery to run completely down, but that's bound to be days.
Apple have quite a bit of experience in this area already with iPods - bear that in mind... 
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#292278 - 02/07/2007 01:24
Re: Apple iPhone announced.
[Re: gbeer]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 19/05/1999
Posts: 3457
Loc: Palo Alto, CA
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The point of being able to remove the battery is that you can, absolutely positively, shut the thing off when necessary.
What am I missing here? Does the power button on your phone not completely turn your phone off?
I doubt any currently produced cell phone really shuts down when the power button is pressed.
I'd suspect that pretty much every phone shuts down when the power button is pressed. Users get annoyed when things run down when they're supposed to be "off". Being at the pointy end of phone development recently, I can assure you that there's no magical way to "stay on the network" without drawing less standby power than... being in standby. If there was, that'd be a great commercial advantage over our competitors
GSM phones also have that annoying habit of breaking into badly-designed audio amps when they transmit, which is a huge red flag for any sort of activity (the network registration part is always done at full tx power levels).
That's not to say that there aren't hacked firmware loads that will turn innocuous nokias into remote listening devices - I've seen them advertised - but factory firmware is likely to be very safe. There's a lot of 3rd party testing that has to get done before you can release a phone.
Of course, maybe there's an agent standing over me as I write this... or maybe not!
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#292279 - 02/07/2007 02:19
Re: Apple iPhone announced.
[Re: altman]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 23/09/2000
Posts: 3608
Loc: Minnetonka, MN
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I know my blackberry takes much longer to start up if the battery is removed vs "turning it off" with the power button.
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#292281 - 02/07/2007 04:23
Re: Apple iPhone announced.
[Re: msaeger]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 24/12/2001
Posts: 5528
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I know my blackberry takes much longer to start up if the battery is removed vs "turning it off" with the power button.
Standby and off is the difference there.
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#292282 - 02/07/2007 05:22
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I can assure you that there's no magical way to "stay on the network" without drawing less standby power than... being in standby. If there was, that'd be a great commercial advantage over our competitors
I also highly doubt that every phone is relaying audio and gps data to the Feds at all times. But that doesn't preclude them from having the ability to remotely activate that "feature" on virtually any phone at any time.
This cellphone "feature" has been publicly documented and used as evidence in the criminal prosecution of at least one american mafia boss. There's no question that it exists.
Kinda seems like it's 23 years ago, eh?
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#292283 - 03/07/2007 06:08
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Loc: Colorado
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I can assure you that there's no magical way to "stay on the network" without drawing less standby power than... being in standby. If there was, that'd be a great commercial advantage over our competitors
I also highly doubt that every phone is relaying audio and gps data to the Feds at all times. But that doesn't preclude them from having the ability to remotely activate that "feature" on virtually any phone at any time.
This cellphone "feature" has been publicly documented and used as evidence in the criminal prosecution of at least one american mafia boss. There's no question that it exists.
Kinda seems like it's 23 years ago, eh?
There's also nothing preventing the CIA from sending a disposable sniper to shoot you in the noggin, or the Illuminati using you for their nefarious plans, or the UFOs from picking you up and painfully probing your posterior if they see fit, but all of that stuff pretty much falls under the "If You Spend Time Thinking About This You Really Need Something Better To Do With Your Time"® category. Just like worrying about people listening to you covertly through your cell phone. Not saying it's impossible, but really, who gives a shit?
I mean, really dude, spend the extra buck on the thicker tin foil. It's worth it.
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#292284 - 03/07/2007 08:48
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Registered: 24/12/2001
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UFOs from picking you up and painfully probing your posterior if they see fit
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Invest in tin foil underwear!
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#292285 - 03/07/2007 22:09
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Registered: 08/07/1999
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Loc: Ajijic, Mexico
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Just like worrying about people listening to you covertly through your cell phone. Not saying it's impossible, but really, who gives a shit?
Me, for one.
It is not about my worrying that something I (or someone in my vicinity) might say could be used to my detriment. It is about one more of my rapidly diminishing rights (in this case, the right to privacy) being stripped away under the pretext of security.
I remember a time, not all that long ago, when things like habeus corpus still applied in this country, a time when men in dark suits wearing earpieces couldn't come into your office and haul you away, keeping you incommunicado for as long as they wanted.
I remember when government emissaries couldn't enter and search your home without a search warrant.
I remember when... never mind. It makes me sick to think about it. It looks like Orwell missed it by 17 years.
George W. Bush and his sycophants have done more damage, and far more lasting and irreparable damage, to this country in the last six years than Osama Bin Laden could have accomplished in his wildest dreams. And when we sit by and say, "Oh, it doesn't matter if we let the government spy on us whenever they want with no checks and balances in place" we just reinforce the old saying that "People get the government they deserve."
Well, this is not my government, I sincerely doubt that there is a single person in elected office, from dog catcher to President, that I ever voted for. And this present government is in no small part responsible for my decision to leave the country.
tanstaafl.
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#292286 - 04/07/2007 00:15
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Registered: 23/07/2003
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Loc: Colorado
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Just like worrying about people listening to you covertly through your cell phone. Not saying it's impossible, but really, who gives a shit?
Me, for one.
It is not about my worrying that something I (or someone in my vicinity) might say could be used to my detriment. It is about one more of my rapidly diminishing rights (in this case, the right to privacy) being stripped away under the pretext of security.
I remember a time, not all that long ago, when things like habeus corpus still applied in this country, a time when men in dark suits wearing earpieces couldn't come into your office and haul you away, keeping you incommunicado for as long as they wanted.
I remember when government emissaries couldn't enter and search your home without a search warrant.
I remember when... never mind. It makes me sick to think about it. It looks like Orwell missed it by 17 years.
George W. Bush and his sycophants have done more damage, and far more lasting and irreparable damage, to this country in the last six years than Osama Bin Laden could have accomplished in his wildest dreams. And when we sit by and say, "Oh, it doesn't matter if we let the government spy on us whenever they want with no checks and balances in place" we just reinforce the old saying that "People get the government they deserve."
Well, this is not my government, I sincerely doubt that there is a single person in elected office, from dog catcher to President, that I ever voted for. And this present government is in no small part responsible for my decision to leave the country.
tanstaafl.
I don't disagree, really, with much of anything you said. My attitude stems more from a place of "Oh, wow... so now they're being open about it?" than from a place of "Hey, I don't see this as a problem". And I would seriously ask you:
- When have the earpiece-wearing men in the long dark suits been unable to whisk you away at will?
- When have the government emissaries not been able to enter your house without a search warrant?
These threats have always been there. It's just that the Shrub doesn't feel the need to hide it anymore.
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#292287 - 04/07/2007 01:43
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 25/12/2000
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Loc: Raleigh, NC US
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I guess the issue is that it's now legal, and you have no recourse, the Constitution be damned.
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#292288 - 04/07/2007 01:55
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Registered: 06/10/1999
Posts: 2591
Loc: Seattle, WA, U.S.A.
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These threats have always been there. It's just that the Shrub doesn't feel the need to hide it anymore.
Different order of magnitude now, I think. In my wildest dreams I can't imagine Tricky Dick saying that he could only provide (unsworn) testimony if Spiro was in the room with him.
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'Tis the exceptional fellow who lies awake at night thinking of his successes.
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