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#50294 - 18/12/2001 21:43 Re: It's already on slashdot [Re: muzza]
tfabris
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Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31604
Loc: Seattle, WA
There already are some.

Oh wait, they're blurred...
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#50295 - 19/12/2001 11:50 Re: New product [Re: BarryB]
amaximow
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Registered: 23/07/2001
Posts: 111
Any thoughts on the box from Lansonic? Any glaring shortcomings to this box? Since I have a desire to re-rip my CD collection, I must admit I have succombed to the "shiny objects" syndrome in Lansonic's ability to link to a Sony jukebox and rip an entire collection. (Yikes!! total price about $2k for 60gig & multi-ripper option).

A comparison matrix such as the one at http://www.mypocket.com/mobilematrix/index.php
would be helpful right about now to help digest all the features...
--Andrew
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#50296 - 19/12/2001 12:24 Re: New product [Re: amaximow]
hybrid8
carpal tunnel

Registered: 12/11/2001
Posts: 7738
Loc: Toronto, CANADA
Well, get started. :) Don't wait for me to put together a new matrix for these other products.

That is, unless the respective companies want to send me units. Then I'll put together the best matrix yet. :)

Bruno
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#50297 - 19/12/2001 13:10 Re: New product - MP3 Database implant? [Re: altman]
lrac
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Registered: 18/12/2001
Posts: 4
Can I install the OS on a preformatted (and loaded) HD?

If I preloaded a 100+Gb HD with a "starter" MP3 database could I somehow install the player OS and tools without disturbing an existing (say ext3) filesystem?

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#50298 - 19/12/2001 13:14 Re: It's already on slashdot [Re: tfabris]
schofiel
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Registered: 25/06/1999
Posts: 2993
Loc: Wareham, Dorset, UK
Oh no they're not, you're just not looking hard enough
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#50299 - 19/12/2001 13:39 Re: New product - MP3 Database implant? [Re: lrac]
altman
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Registered: 19/05/1999
Posts: 3457
Loc: Palo Alto, CA
No, but vice-versa should work. Install with the starter CD *then* put disk in a PC, mount reisferfs, copy tunes over, delete the database in /drive0/var and put it back in the HSX; it will rebuild.

However, this seems pointless - it's a lot easier to drag the tunes into emplode. You'd have to fill in all the tag info (duration in milliseconds, etc etc)

Hugo

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#50300 - 19/12/2001 14:24 Re: It's already on slashdot [Re: schofiel]
bonzi
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Registered: 13/09/1999
Posts: 2401
Loc: Croatia
Where? In the forground of the photo with a blurred one in the background? I'll have to reinspect each of Geek site photos!
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#50301 - 19/12/2001 14:27 Re: It's already on slashdot [Re: bonzi]
tfabris
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Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31604
Loc: Seattle, WA
In the forground of the photo with a blurred one in the background?

If it's the photo I think you're thinking of, then no, it's a CD-ROM drive sitting on top of a Rio Receiver in the foreground.

I don't know what picture Rob is talking about.
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#50302 - 19/12/2001 14:30 Re: It's already on slashdot [Re: tfabris]
bonzi
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Registered: 13/09/1999
Posts: 2401
Loc: Croatia
Right, the lower box has speaker outputs...
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#50303 - 20/12/2001 02:42 Re: New product - MP3 Database implant? [Re: altman]
lrac
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Registered: 18/12/2001
Posts: 4
Vise-versa... hmmm.. OK... but your comment suggests that all the emplode generated data indexes will not be completely rebuilt when the HSX does a database rebuild?

Pointless? I can squeeze about 10Gb per day via USB -> empeg1. Thus I would need about 8-9 days for the initial load. I'm just trying to save this step and use a nice quiet HSX as an MP3 server instead of a noisy overloaded PC! :)

Thanks for your help.

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#50304 - 20/12/2001 04:57 Re: New product - MP3 Database implant? [Re: lrac]
altman
carpal tunnel

Registered: 19/05/1999
Posts: 3457
Loc: Palo Alto, CA
Hmm, 10GB/day seems a little slow; you should be getting at least double that.

The database is build soley from the info in the *1 files. Actually, come to think of it you may just be able to get away with title= artist= genre= length= tags; emplode will then notice (on first connect) that there are missing tags and rebuild them.

The unit is very quiet; the drives are consumer-type (like in Tivos, etc), on isolation mounts. The fan simply doesn't run in normal use; they're there for "worst case" (eg, unit stacked in a cupboard above a hot amp). When it does run, we kick start it with 12v then drop down to about 7, which runs it slower (and silently) until the temperature falls sufficiently.

The HDD will spin down completely when the unit is off, as long as you're not streaming to any receivers or have any pending compression that needs doing.

Hugo

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#50305 - 20/12/2001 05:04 Re: New product - MP3 Database implant? [Re: altman]
thinfourth2
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Registered: 13/04/2001
Posts: 1742
Loc: The land of the pale blue peop...
How does it cope with the plug being pulled at inconvient times like writing to the disk
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#50306 - 20/12/2001 06:02 Re: New product - MP3 Database implant? [Re: thinfourth2]
altman
carpal tunnel

Registered: 19/05/1999
Posts: 3457
Loc: Palo Alto, CA
ReiserFS is a journalling FS. We've not had any problems; however it's not designed to be powered down every time you stop listening; you just put it into standby (much like a lot of hi-fi equipment).

Hugo

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#50307 - 20/12/2001 10:00 Re: New product - MP3 Database implant? [Re: altman]
lrac
new poster

Registered: 18/12/2001
Posts: 4
Thanks for your help. I'll stop whinning about what the HSX doesn't have now... the unit is truely flexible...

Hats off to you guys... it's a hard system to beat.

It's after all the software that makes all this special. My girlfriend loves the waving Tux! It's just SSSOOO cute ... :)

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#50308 - 20/12/2001 10:17 Re: New product - MP3 Database implant? [Re: lrac]
thinfourth2
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Registered: 13/04/2001
Posts: 1742
Loc: The land of the pale blue peop...
waving tux is very popular with mine as well
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#50309 - 20/12/2001 12:28 Re: New product - MP3 Database implant? [Re: thinfourth2]
tfabris
carpal tunnel

Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31604
Loc: Seattle, WA
I'm glad the waving Tux is so popular. Thanks.
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#50310 - 20/12/2001 14:21 Re: It's already on slashdot [Re: bonzi]
schofiel
carpal tunnel

Registered: 25/06/1999
Posts: 2993
Loc: Wareham, Dorset, UK
Go and have a look at Toby Duckworth's (Prolux) photo. Given the length of time the web site was up there, I'm really surprised no one noticed what he has sat (quite prominently) on the shelf!
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#50311 - 20/12/2001 14:46 Re: It's already on slashdot [Re: schofiel]
tfabris
carpal tunnel

Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31604
Loc: Seattle, WA
Well, goodness, there it is, in all its prototype-plexiglass-box glory. Never noticed it there before.
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#50312 - 20/12/2001 16:04 Re: It's already on slashdot [Re: tfabris]
tonyc
carpal tunnel

Registered: 27/06/1999
Posts: 7058
Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
I think the Empeg team likes toying with us and subjecting us to "Where's Waldo?" games with the new products.
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#50313 - 20/12/2001 17:49 Re: It's already on slashdot [Re: schofiel]
bonzi
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Registered: 13/09/1999
Posts: 2401
Loc: Croatia
Ah, on geek site! I forgot about it. Of course, that's the same box blurred on riocar.org photo (sits on the same shelf, anyway).
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#50314 - 20/12/2001 19:52 Re: It's already on slashdot [Re: tfabris]
rob
carpal tunnel

Registered: 21/05/1999
Posts: 5335
Loc: Cambridge UK
Oops.

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#50315 - 20/12/2001 19:54 Re: It's already on slashdot [Re: tonyc]
rob
carpal tunnel

Registered: 21/05/1999
Posts: 5335
Loc: Cambridge UK
So have you worked out the spec of our forthcoming Rio Punt product? We're going to follow that one with Rio Model Bird.

Rob

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#50316 - 20/12/2001 20:01 Re: It's already on slashdot [Re: rob]
tonyc
carpal tunnel

Registered: 27/06/1999
Posts: 7058
Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
Um... I don't get it...
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#50317 - 21/12/2001 03:58 Re: It's already on slashdot [Re: rob]
peter
carpal tunnel

Registered: 13/07/2000
Posts: 4181
Loc: Cambridge, England
We're going to follow that one with Rio Model Bird.

The one in Hugo's car on the install album? I've got grave concerns about the quality of the plastics on that unit.

Peter

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#50318 - 21/12/2001 04:33 Re: It's already on slashdot [Re: peter]
rob
carpal tunnel

Registered: 21/05/1999
Posts: 5335
Loc: Cambridge UK
Umm, no, the more natural looking bird at the fireworks party (and I don't mean Mel).

Rob

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#50319 - 21/12/2001 05:56 Re: It's already on slashdot [Re: peter]
altman
carpal tunnel

Registered: 19/05/1999
Posts: 3457
Loc: Palo Alto, CA
I think I'd better do some in-depth investigation, anyone know her phone number?

;)

Hugo

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