My point was that "competing" products aren't actually competing for the kind of people who are most active here - they are much more consumer-oriented and less geek-friendly.

If you want a Pioneer HD-based unit, then that's what you should get - it's a lower risk than a end-of-line empeg, but the amount of fun you could get out of it is probably a lot less (I haven't read the spec sheet, but I seriously expect that you won't even get a shell on it).

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