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#111359 - 17/08/2002 09:24 tune count on your Empeg
mschrag
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Registered: 09/09/2000
Posts: 2303
Loc: Richmond, VA
I was curious what the max and average number of tunes there are on Empegs out there ... Do most people have in the one to two thousand range? higher? lower? I'm trying to get a sense of what sort of tune count I should use for testing some of my algorithms in jEmplode ...Specifically, now that you can have soups on the Empeg, there's a potentially nasty bit of overhead each time you download where it has to go through and verify all the tunes you have in each soup to make sure it's still suppsoed to be there (i.e. in case you used Emplode and modified some of your tags, I need to go back through and clean the soup up). Needless to say, if you have 10000 songs on your Empeg, this could be a somewhat time consuming process.

Maybe this is a config option. If you always only use jEmplode, then it is keeping everything in sync at runtime, so you don't need to sanity check the soup after each database download.

Did I mention it's really cool to see this thing running? I haven't setup the UI for making the soup playlists, but you basically create a playlist on your Empeg and specify what the soup characteristics are (i.e. you may have an artist=>album, or a search results=>artist=>year) and it just keeps it in sync just like a normal soup except it's a real playlist on the Empeg. And even though that above process is potentially a bear, it's slick to see it running -- i went into Emplode and renamed/reartisted a bunch of tunes, synced, then downloaded the database in jEmplode and it went back through the soup I setup and reparented those tunes. Oh well -- I think this next release will be pretty cool (but that's just my biased opinion )

ms

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#111360 - 17/08/2002 09:48 Re: tune count on your Empeg [Re: mschrag]
Laura
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Registered: 16/06/2000
Posts: 1682
Loc: Greenhills, Ohio
I have about 5,000 on my car player and about 3,000 on my home player.
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#111361 - 17/08/2002 09:50 Re: tune count on your Empeg [Re: mschrag]
tarkie
journeyman

Registered: 28/12/2001
Posts: 99
4097 and rising
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#111362 - 17/08/2002 09:52 Re: tune count on your Empeg [Re: tarkie]
jbauer
veteran

Registered: 08/05/2000
Posts: 1429
Loc: San Francisco, CA
I'm in the 11,000 range.

- Jon

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#111363 - 17/08/2002 11:27 Re: tune count on your Empeg [Re: jbauer]
justinlarsen
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Registered: 31/12/2001
Posts: 1109
Loc: Petaluma, CA
im up in the 35,000+ area the last i checked
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#111364 - 17/08/2002 11:29 Re: tune count on your Empeg [Re: justinlarsen]
mschrag
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Registered: 09/09/2000
Posts: 2303
Loc: Richmond, VA
is that a joke or are you seriously in the 35,000 range?

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#111365 - 17/08/2002 12:19 Re: tune count on your Empeg [Re: mschrag]
oliver
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Registered: 02/04/2002
Posts: 691
I have 3469 songs, every one i love!
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#111366 - 17/08/2002 12:49 Re: tune count on your Empeg [Re: mschrag]
mtempsch
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Registered: 02/06/2000
Posts: 1996
Loc: Gothenburg, Sweden
About 8500 tracks.

/Michael
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#111367 - 17/08/2002 12:59 Re: tune count on your Empeg [Re: mschrag]
TME
new poster

Registered: 29/12/2000
Posts: 8
Currently my car player has >5300 tracks and there are still a pile of CD's to rip before the RIAA tries to infect my life. The player is just over 1/2 full so I expect to hold about 10,000 total.

-Tim
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#111368 - 17/08/2002 19:19 Re: tune count on your Empeg [Re: mschrag]
msaeger
carpal tunnel

Registered: 23/09/2000
Posts: 3608
Loc: Minnetonka, MN
I have 3,300
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#111369 - 17/08/2002 19:53 Re: tune count on your Empeg [Re: msaeger]
xanatos
enthusiast

Registered: 08/03/2001
Posts: 202
Loc: Denver, CO
I have 1417 on mine now.

16,000 on my home box... many of those about to be reencoded in OGG *drools*
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#111370 - 17/08/2002 21:19 Re: tune count on your Empeg [Re: mschrag]
Neutrino
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Registered: 23/01/2002
Posts: 506
Loc: The Great Pacific NorthWest
3000 or so....
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#111371 - 18/08/2002 03:02 Re: tune count on your Empeg [Re: mschrag]
BartDG
carpal tunnel

Registered: 20/05/2001
Posts: 2616
Loc: Bruges, Belgium
About 6500 tunes I guess. With still 4gig free from 60gig total.
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#111372 - 18/08/2002 04:22 Re: tune count on your Empeg [Re: mschrag]
f_devocht
member

Registered: 28/12/2001
Posts: 159
Loc: Belgium
I have just over 9000 songs on it at the moment. 2gigs free or so.

Frank

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#111373 - 18/08/2002 13:00 Re: tune count on your Empeg [Re: mschrag]
robricc
carpal tunnel

Registered: 30/10/2000
Posts: 4931
Loc: New Jersey, USA
I've got 2,152 tunes on my empeg.

I have a hundreds more CDs to rip, but they aren't so great so I'm not rushing.
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#111374 - 19/08/2002 03:00 Re: tune count on your Empeg [Re: mschrag]
tms13
old hand

Registered: 30/07/2001
Posts: 1115
Loc: Lochcarron and Edinburgh
5615 today, by 803 different artists.
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#111375 - 19/08/2002 04:36 Re: tune count on your Empeg [Re: tms13]
pgrzelak
carpal tunnel

Registered: 15/08/2000
Posts: 4859
Loc: New Jersey, USA
16,039 tracks, 381 artists. I typically encode whole CDs, so very few single tracks.
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#111376 - 19/08/2002 05:06 Re: tune count on your Empeg [Re: pgrzelak]
mschrag
pooh-bah

Registered: 09/09/2000
Posts: 2303
Loc: Richmond, VA
Just curious, how long does it take your Empeg to rebuild the database? What is performance like in Emplode?

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#111377 - 19/08/2002 05:10 Re: tune count on your Empeg [Re: mschrag]
pgrzelak
carpal tunnel

Registered: 15/08/2000
Posts: 4859
Loc: New Jersey, USA
Rebuilding the database from scratch is not that bad. A few minutes maybe, assuming that I did something bad and wiped the database files completely or I am doing a sync. Day to day boot is not long enough to really notice. Probably the nastiest bit is when it tries to fsck the drives - 45 minutes per drive, and it usually wants to do both at the same time because of the mount counter. I make certain I do this if I have no plans on using / moving it for a while.
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#111378 - 19/08/2002 06:02 Re: tune count on your Empeg [Re: mschrag]
avatarTX
member

Registered: 23/08/2000
Posts: 193
Loc: Dallas Texas USA
Judging by all the numbers I have seen, I am on the low end with about 1,500 tunes.. only half full.
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#111379 - 19/08/2002 06:05 Re: tune count on your Empeg [Re: avatarTX]
robricc
carpal tunnel

Registered: 30/10/2000
Posts: 4931
Loc: New Jersey, USA
only half full.

I'm only about 1/6 full.
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#111380 - 19/08/2002 06:27 Re: tune count on your Empeg [Re: pgrzelak]
tms13
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Registered: 30/07/2001
Posts: 1115
Loc: Lochcarron and Edinburgh
I would have thought that doing both drives at the same time is the smart thing, as fsck is IO-bound. Or isn't the kernel able to tell early enough that it'll be checking both, in order that it could run fsck in parallel mode?
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#111381 - 19/08/2002 06:36 Re: tune count on your Empeg [Re: tms13]
peter
carpal tunnel

Registered: 13/07/2000
Posts: 4180
Loc: Cambridge, England
fsck is IO-bound

But on a car-player, IO is CPU-bound: it's polled. Fsck wouldn't go any faster if you did two in parallel (even if you could fit two copies of fsck in memory at the same time, which you can't).

Peter

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#111382 - 22/08/2002 08:56 Re: tune count on your Empeg [Re: peter]
csf
member

Registered: 08/04/2002
Posts: 105
Loc: Charlotte, NC
7214 with a single 40 gig drive. I had 9200ish w/ the 10 gig and 40 gig but I was having trouble w/ the disks not being found. Using a single disk makes it work while I'm trying to get it fixed.

It takes quite a while to upload all those tunes.
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#111383 - 25/08/2002 21:09 Re: tune count on your Empeg [Re: pgrzelak]
grgcombs
addict

Registered: 03/07/2001
Posts: 663
Loc: Dallas, TX
Somebody needs ext3 ...
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#111384 - 25/08/2002 21:14 Re: tune count on your Empeg [Re: mschrag]
grgcombs
addict

Registered: 03/07/2001
Posts: 663
Loc: Dallas, TX
5200 ... on 40 gigs (about 10 gig free). This is our whole CD collection plus several hundred straggler tracks. But I just finished FLAC'ing every last CD, I've got 90 gigs of FLAC files on the server. ;-)

I don't see this number jumping very much from now on, it'll only grow by one or two CD's a month.

Greg
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#111385 - 26/08/2002 01:02 Re: tune count on your Empeg [Re: mschrag]
unsquare
stranger

Registered: 22/02/2002
Posts: 55
Loc: Rignt here
Way up there, like 17.

um...really, 2269 and my little 12gb is full...all encoded at 192
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#111386 - 27/08/2002 16:21 Re: tune count on your Empeg [Re: unsquare]
justinlarsen
old hand

Registered: 31/12/2001
Posts: 1109
Loc: Petaluma, CA
nope no joke, accully i got the correct count becuase when i posted the empeg was in the car i have 27,234 songs on there with 654 artist, all of which are full albums i have no single songs on there other than in Soundtracks or Various artist cds like compilations ect. most of mine are 192kbs and i have about 1.2gbs free out of 120gbs yikes.. haha i dont listen to half of it thou. Wait more like 7/8th of it.

I guess im a music pakrat
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#111387 - 15/09/2002 17:18 parallel fsck [Re: peter]
pim
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Registered: 14/11/2000
Posts: 474
Loc: The Hague, the Netherlands
In reply to:

Fsck wouldn't go any faster if you did two in parallel (even if you could fit two copies of fsck in memory at the same time, which you can't).




But you don't have to load two fsck copies into memory, as fsck itself is able to check multiple filesystems in parallel. You just need to correctly set fsck order numbers in /etc/fstab and run fsck -y -f -A.

And this *is* faster. On my two 40 GB IBM Travelstars, a serial fsck takes about 75 minutes. A parallel fsck takes 45 minutes.

Pim

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#111388 - 16/09/2002 20:38 Re: tune count on your Empeg [Re: justinlarsen]
dcosta
enthusiast

Registered: 04/02/2002
Posts: 277
Loc: Massachussetts
27,234

Yikes !! and I thought I was on my way with 7362 tracks on my 60 GB with 25GB available.
It's all relative, I guess. Plus I've only been at it since I got my player in Feb. 2002.
23 days of music is still great to me.
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