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#124891 - 06/11/2002 06:44 Why did the empeg come with a blue tinted lens?
tfabris
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The answer is on the second page of this article.
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#124892 - 06/11/2002 06:54 Re: Why did the empeg come with a blue tinted lens? [Re: tfabris]
peter
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Another Empeg question which that article answers better is "Why is the Empeg-Car the only product in the world to use a blue LED for Ethernet link?"

The pulsing LED on the front is actually a white LED, which is even cooler than a blue one.

Peter

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#124893 - 06/11/2002 06:56 Re: Why did the empeg come with a blue tinted lens? [Re: peter]
tfabris
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I have to say, that's the one thing I miss now that I've got the home docking stations: No ethereal blue glow radiating from the back of the player.
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#124894 - 06/11/2002 10:35 Re: Why did the empeg come with a blue tinted lens? [Re: peter]
Dignan
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Speaking of white LEDs, have those LED lights been created yet? I think Philips was making them, but I haven't heard anything about them in a long while.
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#124895 - 06/11/2002 10:37 Re: Why did the empeg come with a blue tinted lens? [Re: Dignan]
tfabris
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Um, there's a white LED in the player and Brian uses white LEDs in his button kits. You can get them at radio shack. What exactly was your question?
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#124896 - 06/11/2002 10:38 Re: Why did the empeg come with a blue tinted lens? [Re: tfabris]
Dignan
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I just know that Philips was trying to make houshold lights out of white LEDs. I'll try to find the article.

*edit*
found it
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#124897 - 06/11/2002 10:44 Re: Why did the empeg come with a blue tinted lens? [Re: Dignan]
tfabris
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Ah, I see.

Seems to me that actual white LEDs aren't required for that application, a cluster of R/G/B LEDs would serve the same purpose. And if you did it that way, you could even adjust the tint to simulate either incandescent, flourescent, or outdoor light.
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#124898 - 06/11/2002 10:59 Re: Why did the empeg come with a blue tinted lens? [Re: tfabris]
DzlDubber
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Nah, we all know the real answer to this question is that Hugo needed something to match the interior in his VW bug

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#124899 - 06/11/2002 11:05 Re: Why did the empeg come with a blue tinted lens? [Re: DzlDubber]
DeadFire
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If I'm right about what I've read on the empeg's beginnings... he didn't have a Bug back then...

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#124900 - 06/11/2002 11:55 Re: Why did the empeg come with a blue tinted lens [Re: DeadFire]
genixia
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A bit of a shame really - the stock lens isn't a very good match. If only he'd bought that bug earlier then I'd have a perfect match for my golf.
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#124901 - 06/11/2002 15:14 Re: Why did the empeg come with a blue tinted lens? [Re: tfabris]
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In reply to:


I have to say, that's the one thing I miss now that I've got the home docking stations: No ethereal blue glow radiating from the back of the player.




When I built my home docking station, I seriously considered (and still am considering), using a small plastic "light guide" to bring the blue LED to the rear of the docking station near where the Ethernet jack is from the back of the player.

This would not just be for practical reasons of verifiying that the ethernet link is active (as its original purpose was), but also for that nice blue glow at the back when its connected to the network.


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#124902 - 07/11/2002 02:28 Re: Why did the empeg come with a blue tinted lens? [Re: number6]
frog51
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Ahh - good thought. I've been getting the bits and pieces to gether for my home dock and I'll just add light guide to the list of outstanding parts

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#124903 - 08/11/2002 04:49 White LED lighting [Re: tfabris]
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AIUI, white LEDs are a cluster of different-coloured LEDs in a single package. So your idea of colour-temperature adjustment, or similar would work equally well on (suitably wired) white LEDs as discrete colours. And if you're a semiconductor manufacturer, you're probably in a position to produce white LEDs with per-colour controls.

It would certainly simplify assembly if all the component LEDs are identical.

I always do a double take when I see LED traffic lights - the instant light is noticeable compared with the several centiseconds incandescents take. I wouldn't have believed I'd ever notice the warm-up time of a traffic light bulb, but you can indeed tell the difference!

[Edit: changed "fraction of a second" to "several centiseconds" for clarity]


Edited by tms13 (08/11/2002 09:13)
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#124904 - 08/11/2002 04:59 Re: White LED lighting [Re: tms13]
peter
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I always do a double take when I see LED traffic lights - the instant light is noticeable compared with the fraction of a second incandescents take. I wouldn't have believed I'd ever notice the warm-up time of a traffic light bulb, but you can indeed tell the difference!

Are there some in Cambridge then?

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#124905 - 08/11/2002 05:09 Re: White LED lighting [Re: peter]
andy
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Don't know about Cambridge, but there are plenty of them around London. They really do change disconcertingly fast...
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#124906 - 08/11/2002 09:12 Re: White LED lighting [Re: peter]
tms13
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Haven't noticed any LED traffic lights in Cambridge.

The place I normally notice them is on the A650 through central Bradford (on my way to/from the Lake District or Yorkshire Dales), but I've seen them in other places too. If only I could remember where!
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#124907 - 08/11/2002 09:41 Re: White LED lighting [Re: tms13]
Roger
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There are the natty LED cat's eyes up towards Madingley, but I think that they already got a mention here a while ago.
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#124908 - 08/11/2002 10:17 Re: White LED lighting [Re: Roger]
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I have been noticing them on the back of truck trailers here in the states.
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#124909 - 10/11/2002 21:45 Re: Why did the empeg come with a blue tinted lens [Re: tfabris]
rjlov
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Seems to me that actual white LEDs aren't required for that application, a cluster of R/G/B LEDs would serve the same purpose. And if you did it that way, you could even adjust the tint to simulate either incandescent, flourescent, or outdoor light.

Would that actually work? I thought LEDs only emitted a very narrow frequency range. Even if you can get them to look "white" or "incandescent" when viewed directly (for people with normal colour response in their eyes) you're still going to get pretty weird looking colours when you use it to light a room. Don't most real objects have continuous absorption spectra?

I'd be interested to know how the Phillips gang were planning to overcome this.

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#124910 - 11/11/2002 01:49 Re: Why did the empeg come with a blue tinted lens [Re: rjlov]
tfabris
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Would that actually work? I thought LEDs only emitted a very narrow frequency range.

Very interesting point. A spectrogram of an RGB LED cluster would look like three peaks, but a spectrogram of an incandescent would be a wash of color with mild variation.

I hadn't thought of that.
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