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#158764 - 03/05/2003 15:17 mk2 turns off instead of going into standby
Neurot
journeyman

Registered: 06/01/2002
Posts: 80
Loc: Seattle, WA
I just completed installing my empeg into my 2001 Audi A6 2.7T with Bose Premium sound. It was a bitch to get the parts, but I did it and will be posting the step-by-step along with pics soon. My only glitch is that when i turn the car off, the unit goes off immediately, instead of staying in standby. i'm sure there's some easy wire trick, so hopefully someone can help me out! thanks in advance...
jason

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#158765 - 03/05/2003 15:23 Re: mk2 turns off instead of going into standby [Re: Neurot]
genixia
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Registered: 08/02/2002
Posts: 3411
Audi and VW are often on the same page...and VWs have the constant 12V and igntion 12V reversed in the harness. (Reversed with respect to the ISO definitions that everyone else uses).
This would certainly give you the the effect that you are seeing. I'm sure that a quick check of an audi forum woulf confirm whether this is the cause.
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#158766 - 03/05/2003 15:55 Re: mk2 turns off instead of going into standby [Re: genixia]
Neurot
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Registered: 06/01/2002
Posts: 80
Loc: Seattle, WA
By '12v constant' do you mean the yellow '12v memory' wire?

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#158767 - 03/05/2003 16:09 Re: mk2 turns off instead of going into standby [Re: Neurot]
genixia
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Registered: 08/02/2002
Posts: 3411
Yep.
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#158768 - 03/05/2003 16:14 Re: mk2 turns off instead of going into standby [Re: genixia]
Neurot
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Registered: 06/01/2002
Posts: 80
Loc: Seattle, WA
weird - i reversed the red and yellow wires and it still does the same thing....hmmmm..........

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#158769 - 03/05/2003 18:10 Re: mk2 turns off instead of going into standby [Re: Neurot]
tfabris
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Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31597
Loc: Seattle, WA
My only glitch is that when i turn the car off, the unit goes off immediately, instead of staying in standby.
First of all, have you measured the voltage present on the two wires in question?

I'm talking about the wires from the Volkswagen, not the wires on the player. I mean, if the player were completely disconnected, what are the voltages on the pins of the VW connector. One of them should be 12v all the time, one of them should be 12v only when the ignition is on. If so, are those pins connected to the appropriate wires on the player?

Did you guess at the wire connections and hand-splice, or did you get a proper installation kit with a wiring harness adapter?

Note that even though the empeg sled plugs might be the same physical shape as the VW connector, the wires might be completely switched around. Read the section "Reversed ISO wires" here.

Next, read this.
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#158770 - 03/05/2003 21:52 Re: mk2 turns off instead of going into standby [Re: tfabris]
Neurot
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Registered: 06/01/2002
Posts: 80
Loc: Seattle, WA
I used a custom wiring harness made by Autoleads in the UK. Unfortunately, they apparently messed up the 12v constant and 12v ignition. also, i had to run the remote amp power manually.

i checked the voltage on both, all the way from the wiring harness to the sled, and both are correct (after switching them). the unit still goes off completely when the ignition goes off. i don't hear any 'thump' though.

i am running 2.0 final with hijack 334.

btw, this is an audi (obviously they are similar, if not the same - just clarifying).

any other ideas?

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#158771 - 04/05/2003 00:15 Re: mk2 turns off instead of going into standby [Re: Neurot]
mtempsch
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Registered: 02/06/2000
Posts: 1996
Loc: Gothenburg, Sweden
If it's a Mk2 (and not a Mk2a) could it not be a broken fuse on the constant power wire?
IIRC, the Mk2 would operate on switched power alone, but not stay in standby if the constant power was broken. Mk2a's will refuse to operate at all in this situation.

/Michael
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#158772 - 04/05/2003 09:14 Re: mk2 turns off instead of going into standby [Re: mtempsch]
Neurot
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Registered: 06/01/2002
Posts: 80
Loc: Seattle, WA
how exactly do i tell if it's an mk2 or 2a? i bought it from the 'fire sale' so i assumed it was a 2a...

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#158773 - 04/05/2003 09:27 Re: mk2 turns off instead of going into standby [Re: Neurot]
BartDG
carpal tunnel

Registered: 20/05/2001
Posts: 2616
Loc: Bruges, Belgium
An MK2 says "Empeg" on top, and MK2a says "Rio" on top.

The biggest difference between the two is that de MK2a has 16mb of RAM and the MK2 only has 12Mb.
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#158774 - 04/05/2003 09:41 Re: mk2 turns off instead of going into standby [Re: BartDG]
Neurot
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Registered: 06/01/2002
Posts: 80
Loc: Seattle, WA
ok then it's an mk2a

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#158775 - 04/05/2003 10:55 Re: mk2 turns off instead of going into standby [Re: BartDG]
Neurot
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Registered: 06/01/2002
Posts: 80
Loc: Seattle, WA
ok then it's an mk2

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#158776 - 04/05/2003 18:06 Re: mk2 turns off instead of going into standby [Re: Neurot]
AndrewT
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Registered: 16/02/2002
Posts: 867
Loc: Oxford, UK
ok then it's an mk2

Did you check the fuse that mtempsch mentioned above, that can certainly cause (IIRC) what you are experiencing?

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#158777 - 04/05/2003 18:43 Re: mk2 turns off instead of going into standby [Re: AndrewT]
Neurot
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Registered: 06/01/2002
Posts: 80
Loc: Seattle, WA
yes - i did check the fuse - in fact, i checked for +12v all the way to the sled...

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#158778 - 05/05/2003 11:25 Re: mk2 turns off instead of going into standby [Re: Neurot]
mlord
carpal tunnel

Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14493
Loc: Canada
The power-off delay is adjustable (Emplode?).. maybe it's set to zero for some reason (normally it's set to a few seconds or minutes after standby).

Cheers

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#158779 - 05/05/2003 12:02 Re: mk2 turns off instead of going into standby [Re: mlord]
tfabris
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Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31597
Loc: Seattle, WA
maybe it's set to zero for some reason (normally it's set to a few seconds or minutes after standby).
I don't think zero is an allowed option, never tried.

But very short, like 1 second, might make it seem like it wasn't going into standby. Good point. I'll add that to the FAQ.
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#158780 - 05/05/2003 12:18 Re: mk2 turns off instead of going into standby [Re: tfabris]
Neurot
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Registered: 06/01/2002
Posts: 80
Loc: Seattle, WA
I believe that is in the FAQ. mine is definitely set higher - 30 minutes if i remember correctly.

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#158781 - 13/05/2003 07:26 Re: mk2 turns off instead of going into standby [Re: Neurot]
tms13
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Registered: 30/07/2001
Posts: 1115
Loc: Lochcarron and Edinburgh
In reply to:

[standby timeout] is definitely set higher - 30 minutes if i remember correctly.




Are you running the latest player software? Earlier versions had a limit on the allowed timeout values, and would not spend any time in standby if it were exceeded.

While you're troubleshooting, set it to something like 20 seconds. Remember that the value is in milliseconds if you're editing config.ini directly.
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