Since the other CES thread got WAY off-topic, I thought I'd post a finding here..
I went to mp3.com (where I found out about the empeg) to see if they had any mp3 coverage from the CES and found
this. It mentions hard drive based units from Sony and Pioneer that allow you to rip music onto the hard drive from a built-in CD drive. They are encoded in ATRAC 3 from Sony's MD. ATRAC has copy protection built in. .... There was no mention of Rio in there which amazed me...
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