Unoffical empeg BBS

Quick Links: Empeg FAQ | RioCar.Org | Hijack | BigDisk Builder | jEmplode | emphatic
Repairs: Repairs

Topic Options
#254716 - 20/04/2005 15:43 Pre installing drivers
Phoenix42
veteran

Registered: 21/03/2002
Posts: 1424
Loc: MA but Irish born
As always I get the weird requests at work, and some of them I don't have answers to.

I need to install some drivers prior to the device been connected to the system, so that when the device is connected to the system Windows 2000 recognises it.
No I can't just connect it, install the drivers and then remove the device, some people in Legal are paranoid about licensing and such.
Also, how do I later remove these drivers?
Is this at all possible?
Thanks all.

Top
#254717 - 20/04/2005 16:36 Re: Pre installing drivers [Re: Phoenix42]
Attack
addict

Registered: 01/03/2002
Posts: 599
Loc: Florida
It would depend on the drivers for this device. If you have the inf and a few other files you should be able to just right click on the inf and pick install. If the drive is an EXE like most sound card drivers you can try just running it and see if it will install. Some drivers will install some won't. If this is a program that won't install without the device then you can try getting the file from the temp storage once the install was started. I have installed drivers this way before.

To uninstall the drivers use regmon to log registry changes and filemon to see what files it creates during the install and store this info so you can manually remove them later. Both can be downloaded from http://www.sysinternals.com/

Top
#254718 - 20/04/2005 18:14 Re: Pre installing drivers [Re: Phoenix42]
JBjorgen
carpal tunnel

Registered: 19/01/2002
Posts: 3584
Loc: Columbus, OH
Quote:
some people in Legal are paranoid about licensing and such

Uh, correct me if I'm saying something retarded, but most binary drivers don't have strict licensing....in fact, most companies give them away publicly on their website.
_________________________
~ John

Top
#254719 - 21/04/2005 04:23 Re: Pre installing drivers [Re: JBjorgen]
drakino
carpal tunnel

Registered: 08/06/1999
Posts: 7868
Quote:
Uh, correct me if I'm saying something retarded, but most binary drivers don't have strict licensing....in fact, most companies give them away publicly on their website.


Nearly every consumer driver and more and more corporate drivers have strict EULAs attached. Some force you to agree via an installer, other sites request agreement at download. And in many of those EULAs, it does state the drivers can only be on a machine with the hardware present.

Not something common people worry about, but I guess it keeps lawyers up at night.

Top
#254720 - 21/04/2005 11:42 Re: Pre installing drivers [Re: drakino]
Phoenix42
veteran

Registered: 21/03/2002
Posts: 1424
Loc: MA but Irish born
Something like what Tom said. There are a few departments with in work that I steer clear of and Legal is one of them, most other departments I'll push the issue or at least get a decent excuse.

Mean time I need to be creative and figure a way around this.
Chad, thanks for the suggestions, I've tried them and failed, though it was a third party who did the testing as I didn't have hardware access at the time - I do now.

The suitation I'm in is strange, I need to make the adding and removing of the hardware as simple as possible, hence I want to remove the driver install section, however the computer to which the hardware was connected to will eventually ship to a customer which is where Legal step in. Time to start banging my head against the wall.

On a side issue my VMware ESX install is coming along nicely, If anyone want to pop in and have a look see in a few months just PM me.

Top
#254721 - 21/04/2005 11:55 Re: Pre installing drivers [Re: Phoenix42]
Attack
addict

Registered: 01/03/2002
Posts: 599
Loc: Florida
Check out WinDriversBackup and DriverView

They both will only be helpful once they are installed. But the driver backup might be able to make a set of files that could be installed without the device connected.

Top
#254722 - 21/04/2005 23:14 Re: Pre installing drivers [Re: Phoenix42]
tfabris
carpal tunnel

Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31602
Loc: Seattle, WA
I'm confused by the question.

You didn't state the type of device. But in most cases, the instructions that come with Windows-centric USB peripherals specifically say, "Please install the device drivers before plugging this in."

So you're asking if it's OK to do exaclty what the instructions tell you to do? That's why I'm confused.

Can you provide more details about the device in question?
_________________________
Tony Fabris

Top
#254723 - 22/04/2005 10:10 Re: Pre installing drivers [Re: tfabris]
Phoenix42
veteran

Registered: 21/03/2002
Posts: 1424
Loc: MA but Irish born
Tony, the drivers in question are for a Quatech USB to 8 serial ports adaptor. The drivers are a few DLL, SYS & INF files, but pre-install the INFs (right click->install) does nothing. I'd really not like todo a setup capture

Chad, I'll give them a go, they do sound interesting.

Top
#254724 - 22/04/2005 13:14 Re: Pre installing drivers [Re: Attack]
Phoenix42
veteran

Registered: 21/03/2002
Posts: 1424
Loc: MA but Irish born
Chad,
WinDriversBackup did the trick.
I found out from it that INFs were getting renamed when placed in the INF directory to a OEM?.inf naming convention.
I also had to alter the \Windows\CurrentVersion\Setup: "SourcePath"="%PATH%" to where I was placing the drivers.
With this don't all the end users have todo is press enter twice - almost idiot proof.

Removing it will be another trick, but that is a dance for another day.
If you ever get up north I'll buy some beers.

Tony, any intrest in moving to Boston?

Top
#254725 - 22/04/2005 13:52 Re: Pre installing drivers [Re: Phoenix42]
tfabris
carpal tunnel

Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31602
Loc: Seattle, WA
Ah, gotcha. Glad you got it worked out. I could turn that into a nice slick little installer for you where the INF file didn't get deleted.

Quote:
Tony, any intrest in moving to Boston?

Not yet. I could get desperate, though, if local work doesn't pan out. How's the skiing up there?
_________________________
Tony Fabris

Top