#284164 - 15/10/2006 12:44
Re: Problem with new Disk installation
[Re: Ross Wellington]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14493
Loc: Canada
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I was able to manually build a 120 GB drive and then I used the Big Disk Builder program for 5 other drives ( I have 3 Mk2s with 2 each 120 GB drives in them).
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The builder works very well, good work.
Excellent. I guess it was worth the effort. Some day I might even need it myself, I suppose!
Cheers
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#284165 - 24/10/2006 12:05
CAUTION for 160GB (and larger) drives
[Re: mlord]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14493
Loc: Canada
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Just a reminder, really. It now seems commonplace for many of us to be installing 80GB and 120GB drives into the Empeg/Rio Car players. Which means it will soon be more common to hear of 160GB (or larger) drives being used. There is a dangerous pitfall with these drives: your data WILL be corrupted if you ever install a stock player kernel into a system with a 160GB (or larger) drive installed.Thus, the usual sequence for many people here: - install the new big drive
- format it all using the big builder image: okay
- install the v2.01 player image from Windoze: instant corruption.
Only the Hijack kernels should ever be used with drives that large. Cheers
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#284166 - 24/10/2006 12:50
Re: CAUTION for 160GB (and larger) drives
[Re: mlord]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 15/08/2000
Posts: 4859
Loc: New Jersey, USA
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Good tip! I can guarantee that would have been the upgrade path I would have eventually taken! 
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#284167 - 24/10/2006 13:03
Re: CAUTION for 160GB (and larger) drives
[Re: pgrzelak]
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old hand
Registered: 07/01/2005
Posts: 893
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Oh yes, me too. Thanks Mark.
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#284168 - 24/10/2006 13:33
Re: CAUTION for 160GB (and larger) drives
[Re: mlord]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14493
Loc: Canada
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- install the v2.01 player image from Windoze: instant corruption.
Only the Hijack kernels should ever be used with drives that large.
Of course, one might then ask, So how *do* I install the player software onto such a drive?
Simple. Use one of these installers instead of the stock one:
Totally untested, of course, just like the original builder_bigdisk.upgrade was. 
Cheers
Edited by mlord (24/10/2006 15:08)
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#284169 - 24/10/2006 13:36
Re: CAUTION for 160GB (and larger) drives
[Re: mlord]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14493
Loc: Canada
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Note -- original post (above) edited: I changed the names of the downloads.
-ml
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#284170 - 24/10/2006 13:44
Re: CAUTION for 160GB (and larger) drives
[Re: mlord]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 30/10/2000
Posts: 4931
Loc: New Jersey, USA
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Use one of these installers instead of the stock one:
http://rtr.ca/car2_v2.01_hijack.upgrade
http://rtr.ca/car2_v3a11_hijack.upgrade
Not to look a gift horse in the mouth, but is it possible to make one of those handy packages for 2 beta 13? Many of us use it as it's the most stable v2 release to support tuner seeking. Thanks!
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#284171 - 24/10/2006 15:06
Re: CAUTION for 160GB (and larger) drives
[Re: robricc]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14493
Loc: Canada
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Not to look a gift horse in the mouth, but is it possible to make one of those handy packages for 2 beta 13? Many of us use it as it's the most stable v2 release to support tuner seeking. Thanks!
Done. Link added to original post above.
Cheers
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#284172 - 24/10/2006 15:35
Re: CAUTION for 160GB (and larger) drives
[Re: mlord]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 30/10/2000
Posts: 4931
Loc: New Jersey, USA
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Awesome 
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#284174 - 24/10/2006 18:29
Re: CAUTION for 160GB (and larger) drives
[Re: robricc]
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enthusiast
Registered: 21/02/2006
Posts: 325
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Once again this demonstrates the value of this forum.
The RioCar is a really cool product, other manufacturers are now seeing the vision. WAY AHEAD OF ITS TIME. Bigger drives will lengthen its life and since it is not a static product (firmware upgradable, not throw-away), it has a good future ahead of it for those who can get them. Thanks to those who provide us that upgrade path and provide a great resource for the newbies too.
I too, would have made the same mistake with 160 GB drives, now, I won't. But I would have spent alot of frustrating hours trying to figure it out and could have damaged one of my Rios.
Thanks,
Ross
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#284175 - 24/10/2006 19:19
Re: CAUTION for 160GB (and larger) drives
[Re: mlord]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31597
Loc: Seattle, WA
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Drive Upgrade Guide modified with this new information. Thanks.
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#284176 - 25/10/2006 06:06
Re: CAUTION for 160GB (and larger) drives
[Re: mlord]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 09/08/2000
Posts: 2091
Loc: Edinburgh, Scotland
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Thanks Mark - once again you make life easier for us.
Cheers
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#284177 - 27/10/2006 00:41
Re: CAUTION for 160GB (and larger) drives
[Re: mlord]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14493
Loc: Canada
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Quote:
Quote:
- install the v2.01 player image from Windoze: instant corruption.
Only the Hijack kernels should ever be used with drives that large.
Of course, one might then ask, So how *do* I install the player software onto such a drive?
Simple. Use one of these installers instead of the stock one:
Totally untested, of course, just like the original builder_bigdisk.upgrade was.
Cheers
ARGHH!! Okay, at least the v3a11 image (above) actually did NOT have a Hijack kernel inside of it (I just tried to use it here). I'm fixing that right now, and have put three fresh replacement images (the .upgrade files linked to above) onto my server now.
I *think* these are okay, but still have to wait for the test to complete to verify that Hijack is indeed integrated into them.
More in a few minutes..
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#284178 - 27/10/2006 00:55
Re: CAUTION for 160GB (and larger) drives
[Re: mlord]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14493
Loc: Canada
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Quote:
Quote:
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- install the v2.01 player image from Windoze: instant corruption.
Only the Hijack kernels should ever be used with drives that large.
Of course, one might then ask, So how *do* I install the player software onto such a drive?
Simple. Use one of these installers instead of the stock one:
Totally untested, of course, just like the original builder_bigdisk.upgrade was.
Cheers
ARGHH!! Okay, at least the v3a11 image (above) actually did NOT have a Hijack kernel inside of it (I just tried to use it here). I'm fixing that right now, and have put three fresh replacement images (the .upgrade files linked to above) onto my server now.
I *think* these are okay, but still have to wait for the test to complete to verify that Hijack is indeed integrated into them.
More in a few minutes..
[EDIT]Mmm.. LBA48 support may be buggy in Hijack.. working on it now..[/EDIT]
Cheers
Edited by mlord (27/10/2006 01:58)
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#284179 - 27/10/2006 03:32
Re: CAUTION for 160GB (and larger) drives
[Re: mlord]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14493
Loc: Canada
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See the new thread in General: Hijack v464
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#284180 - 02/11/2006 03:10
Re: CAUTION for 160GB (and larger) drives
[Re: mlord]
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enthusiast
Registered: 21/02/2006
Posts: 325
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Hi,
Does the new V464 Flash Firmware include the function to automatically corrupt (fill the boot partition with junk), so that a disk with a previous format on it will be forced to fully partition and format the disk?
I noticed that a drive with a previous partition and format indicates that " the drive appears to have been built". When the drive is "scribbled" on like in the FAQ, it seems better behaved. It also should free up the complete partition for a new database.
Did I miss something?
Thanks,
Ross
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#284181 - 02/11/2006 11:48
Re: CAUTION for 160GB (and larger) drives
[Re: mlord]
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old hand
Registered: 17/01/2003
Posts: 998
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Quote:
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- install the v2.01 player image from Windoze: instant corruption.
Only the Hijack kernels should ever be used with drives that large.
Of course, one might then ask, So how *do* I install the player software onto such a drive?
Simple. Use one of these installers instead of the stock one:
Totally untested, of course, just like the original builder_bigdisk.upgrade was.
Cheers
All these links seem to be broken, at least for me.
Never mind, Found them here.....
http://rtr.ca/bigdisk/
Edited by Redrum (02/11/2006 11:51)
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#284182 - 02/11/2006 13:30
Re: CAUTION for 160GB (and larger) drives
[Re: Ross Wellington]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14493
Loc: Canada
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Does the new V464 Flash Firmware include the function to automatically corrupt (fill the boot partition with junk), so that a disk with a previous format on it will be forced to fully partition and format the disk?
No. And if it did have that feature, I know of many people on this BBS who would eventually cry out "hey, it killed my good drive and I lost all of my tunes -- no backup, either!".
So, no.
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#284183 - 03/11/2006 16:13
Re: CAUTION for 160GB (and larger) drives
[Re: mlord]
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enthusiast
Registered: 21/02/2006
Posts: 325
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Yeah, that was a dumb question, wasn't it....
Sorry to waste your time.
Ross
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#284185 - 03/11/2006 18:30
Re: CAUTION for 160GB (and larger) drives
[Re: Ross Wellington]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14493
Loc: Canada
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Yeah, that was a dumb question, wasn't it....
Actually, I think it was a good question. And if I were doing these builder thingies for myself, that's how I'd want it to work.
But I've never actually *used* these builder thingies -- I just fixed them for everyone else to use.
Cheers
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#284186 - 04/11/2006 02:18
Re: CAUTION for 160GB (and larger) drives
[Re: Redrum]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 19/09/2002
Posts: 2494
Loc: East Coast, USA
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Mark, you're the man! Images saved, for when I get 160gig drives in about 4 years or so. TRUE upgrade paths; rare in computers these days. Thanks.
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#284187 - 25/11/2006 19:12
Re: CAUTION for 160GB (and larger) drives
[Re: Redrum]
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enthusiast
Registered: 20/11/2000
Posts: 279
Loc: Pacific Northwest
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Hey Guys! Long time no chat. I've recently be amid a drive upgrade and found FAQ fix needed... It looks like this FAQ page needs a slight update. The link "Mark Lord's Special Disk Builder for large disks" points to an old location: Quote:
Special note for large drives: You might run into a problem if your disk drive is larger than about 40-60 gigabytes. The official empeg builder image hasn't been updated to support large disks. It sometimes runs out of memory when building the music partition. This will manifest itself as disk drive errors when the player boots or when you try to put music onto the player. If this happens, there are a few things you can try: You can use Mark Lord's Special Disk Builder for large disks. You can try to apply the builder image a second time (starting the procedure from the top). Sometimes this is enough. You can also partition and format the hard disk manually. If your disk is larger than 128 gigabytes, make sure to install the latest Hijack Kernel before partitioning and formatting manually. You will also need to re-install the Hijack Kernel after putting the developer upgrade onto the player.
Given the below:
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- install the v2.01 player image from Windoze: instant corruption.
Only the Hijack kernels should ever be used with drives that large.
Of course, one might then ask, So how *do* I install the player software onto such a drive?
Simple. Use one of these installers instead of the stock one:
Totally untested, of course, just like the original builder_bigdisk.upgrade was.
Cheers
All these links seem to be broken, at least for me.
Never mind, Found them here.....
http://rtr.ca/bigdisk/
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#284188 - 01/12/2006 15:54
Re: CAUTION for 160GB (and larger) drives
[Re: time]
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enthusiast
Registered: 21/02/2006
Posts: 325
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Hi,
I may have seen a related problem.
I have seen a problem (probably unrelated to V464) where I loaded 2 of my 3 Empegs and on one of them when resyncing it spends ALOT of time on Checking The Disk Integrity. I load approximately 200 GB of .WAV files on each Empeg. One has Hitachi drives another has Toshiba drives.
It probably spends an hour checking the media (got longer as I filled it up), completes the resync, and operates fine. I have re-partitioned & reformatted them and they seem to do the same thing.
The other Empeg (it has two Toshiba 120 GB drives in it), doesn't seem to have the problem.
Has anyone seen this problem, do I need to perform some kind of FSCK or something?
Maybe Hitachi drives just choke on my listening tastes (Classic Rock, Easy Listening), I don't know....
Thanks,
Ross
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