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#285772 - 21/08/2006 00:37 player upgrade help!!!
thirdeyevision
journeyman

Registered: 31/05/2004
Posts: 54
Loc: Petaluma, CA (Bay Area)
i am trying to upgrade the software on this new empeg i got and i am having issues. my computer has no serial port so i went out and bought a serial to usb cable and emplode isn't seeing the unit. also, when i run the player upgrade, it asks which serial port im working on and i an not sure what to put.

the empeg is a mk2a 60gig everything original. hijack v308 and running version 2.0 final.

am i screwed and have to find a desktop with a serial port or is there a way around it?

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#285773 - 21/08/2006 03:41 Re: player upgrade help!!! [Re: thirdeyevision]
tfabris
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Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31604
Loc: Seattle, WA
Before you panic, see if hyperterminal shows anything.

However, you're going to need to know the correct serial port number before you can even do that. To find out the correct serial port number, go into the Device Manager and look under "Ports (COM & LPT)". If nothing shows up under there, then your adapter thingy isn't even working at all and you need to rewind a bit and find out why THAT isn't working.
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#285774 - 21/08/2006 18:25 Re: player upgrade help!!! [Re: tfabris]
thirdeyevision
journeyman

Registered: 31/05/2004
Posts: 54
Loc: Petaluma, CA (Bay Area)
this may be a stupid question, but how do i get to the device manager? (i'm running xp)

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#285775 - 21/08/2006 18:34 Re: player upgrade help!!! [Re: thirdeyevision]
robricc
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Registered: 30/10/2000
Posts: 4931
Loc: New Jersey, USA
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#285776 - 21/08/2006 18:34 Re: player upgrade help!!! [Re: thirdeyevision]
Roger
carpal tunnel

Registered: 18/01/2000
Posts: 5683
Loc: London, UK
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this may be a stupid question, but how do i get to the device manager? (i'm running xp)


Pick one:

Right-click 'My Computer', select Properties, choose the Hardware tab, and then press the Device Manager button.

Or you can right-click my computer, select 'Manage', and it's immediately visible in the left-hand tree.

These are both also available through Control Panel, in Classic view. The first is under 'System'. The second is available under Administrative Tools -> Computer Management.

In Category view, the first place is under Performance and Maintenance -> System. I don't know where the second maps to.

If you've got the new (as opposed to 'Classic') start menu layout, then you can right-click 'My Computer' in here, to get to the 'Properties' and 'Manage' items, even if it's not on your desktop.
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#285777 - 21/08/2006 18:36 Re: player upgrade help!!! [Re: Roger]
Roger
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Registered: 18/01/2000
Posts: 5683
Loc: London, UK
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Right-click 'My Computer', select Properties.


Windows + Pause/Break will get you here, as well.
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#285778 - 21/08/2006 18:39 Re: player upgrade help!!! [Re: Roger]
tfabris
carpal tunnel

Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31604
Loc: Seattle, WA
In another thread, someone gave yet another way to invoke the Device Manager that's now my favorite: Start/Run, or create a shortcut to, devmgmt.msc .
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#285779 - 21/08/2006 19:03 Re: player upgrade help!!! [Re: Roger]
robricc
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Registered: 30/10/2000
Posts: 4931
Loc: New Jersey, USA
Quote:
Quote:
Right-click 'My Computer', select Properties.


Windows + Pause/Break will get you here, as well.

Ooooo, that's slick.
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#285780 - 21/08/2006 19:35 Re: player upgrade help!!! [Re: robricc]
wfaulk
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Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
And intuitive.
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#285781 - 21/08/2006 19:40 Re: player upgrade help!!! [Re: wfaulk]
cushman
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Registered: 21/01/2002
Posts: 1380
Loc: Erie, CO
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And intuitive.

It's not too bad. You go there to... uhh... break your computer.
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#285782 - 21/08/2006 23:26 Re: player upgrade help!!! [Re: cushman]
thirdeyevision
journeyman

Registered: 31/05/2004
Posts: 54
Loc: Petaluma, CA (Bay Area)
wow i guess im out of the loop, and i thought i knew how to use a computer!

well, i found what eash usb port is called and when i went to install the player software it reconized that there was something there but it could not connect to the player. i tried unplugging and plugging the cable back in on both ends (sometimes it works for emplode) and i still got nothing.

next, i went into hyperterminal to see what the player was doing and i can't get hyperterminal to see anything in the player or what it was doing with the serial to usb connection.

so my first thought was the serial to usb cable was my problem. but, my computer can see the serial-usb connection and tells me that i have connected it when i do so, but it dosen't see the player at the serial connection. not sure what the problem is.

also, i was reading the hyperterminal page (the one TFabris linked for me) a little closer and read that there is such a thing as a 25 pin serial connection. well, i looked at the back of my dell inspiron 9300 and saw a connection with a 3x8 grid and a solo pin to the right of the 3x8 grid.

is this a serial plugin that i am trying to ignore?

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#285783 - 22/08/2006 00:07 Re: player upgrade help!!! [Re: thirdeyevision]
tfabris
carpal tunnel

Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31604
Loc: Seattle, WA
No, a 3x8 pin grid is not a 25-pin serial port. In fact, only the oldest of computers would even have a 25 pin serial port. Your Dell definitely does not have one.

If Hyperterminal can't see the player, then there's something wrong with the serial connection at the low level. Either it's a problem with the USB-to-serial adapter, you're picking the wrong serial port number, or (more likely) you've got the wrong kind of serial cable connecting your PC to the empeg, or the serial cable is faulty. Remember that the serial cable must be a null-modem cable (with the RX and TX wires crossed).

There have been reports that some USB-to-serial adapters don't work for player upgrades or kernel flashes. But even if that were the case with yours, you would at LEAST see text in hyperterminal when you cycle the power on the player.

The fact that you're not seeing anything in hyperterminal means there's something else wrong. You need to get the serial port and serial cable working.

Or... Just give up and find a friend with a serial port.
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#285784 - 22/08/2006 00:10 Re: player upgrade help!!! [Re: thirdeyevision]
mlord
carpal tunnel

Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14496
Loc: Canada
The Dell Inspiron 9300 does NOT have built-in serial ports (I know, I have two of those computers right here, right now).

So a USB-serial dongle is the best solution. Not all of them will work with the windows tools, but most should. The latest download.c from the Hijack link (above) works will all USB serial dongles, but only with Unix/Linux.

Cheers

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#285785 - 23/08/2006 23:25 Re: player upgrade help!!! [Re: mlord]
thirdeyevision
journeyman

Registered: 31/05/2004
Posts: 54
Loc: Petaluma, CA (Bay Area)
i didn't think it was a serial port but i just wanted to make sure.

i think i am going to give up on the usb to serial cable and try and return it. i'm sure someone i know has a serial port.

thanks for all your help!

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#285786 - 19/09/2006 03:10 Re: player upgrade help!!! [Re: thirdeyevision]
empegking
new poster

Registered: 19/09/2006
Posts: 2
I am having the same problem. I verified that my serial port is working by downloading a new bin file to my FTA satellite box and it works perfectly. I guess that would say there is something wrong with my empegs serial port. Are the any other ways to recover other than the serial port?

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#285787 - 19/09/2006 05:26 Re: player upgrade help!!! [Re: empegking]
tfabris
carpal tunnel

Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31604
Loc: Seattle, WA
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I verified that my serial port is working by downloading a new bin file to my FTA satellite box

This doesn't mean you're using the right kind of serial cable to connect to the empeg. Maybe that's the only problem. Simple to fix, just make sure you're usin a null-modem cable to connect to the empeg.

(I don't know if the "FTA satellite box" that you are speaking of requires a straight through cable or a null modem cable.)
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