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#313625 - 04/09/2008 19:11 Interesting embedded platform
sn00p
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While searching for a processor with "oomph" today for a specific project we have in the pipeline here, I came across this little beauty which some of you may or may not be interested in.

beagleboard

The pricing on this board is remarkable, considering the 100 off price of the processor itself is around the $50 mark. It also features a rather neat technology called POP (package on package) where the ram chip is mounted on top of the flash chip on top of the processor (all BGA packages).

We bought a board to try, which in itself proved to be difficult because apparently the the the board is subject to export restrictions in the US and cannot be shipped to the UK! One phonecall later and we had to confirm we were not using it for military purposes and it's winding its way here!

Adrian



Edited by sn00p (04/09/2008 19:12)

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#313627 - 04/09/2008 19:27 Re: Interesting embedded platform [Re: sn00p]
tman
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Hmm neat. Might have to see if I can acquire one to play with...

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#313659 - 05/09/2008 14:14 Re: Interesting embedded platform [Re: tman]
siberia37
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That is a good price considering it has a video card onboard. Does it have a host-USB? Otherwise there would be no way to hook up ethernet that I see which would be a disadvantage.

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#313661 - 05/09/2008 15:34 Re: Interesting embedded platform [Re: siberia37]
mlord
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The web page clearly shows a USB2.0 host (OTG) port. And the documentation gives USB-to-ethernet as an example of something useful to connect to it (through an adapter cable or hub).

EDIT: apparently it does the high-speed 480mb/s flavour, too.

Cheers

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#313662 - 05/09/2008 18:16 Re: Interesting embedded platform [Re: mlord]
tman
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The hardware manual could do with some proofreading. I've found several mistakes in it. Nothing major but it just makes it confusing when they suddenly refer to the wrong port or list the wrong component number.

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#313665 - 05/09/2008 20:03 Re: Interesting embedded platform [Re: tman]
DWallach
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A buddy of mine works on marketing for the CPU on this thing. They're aggressively courting hobbyists and open source hacker types. They want people to do wild and crazy stuff.

I'm just brainstorming to see if I can come up with a reasonable undergrad project around one of these things, because if I can, I'm pretty sure I can get a stack of them, gratis.

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#313666 - 05/09/2008 20:11 Re: Interesting embedded platform [Re: sn00p]
mlord
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Mmm.. I wonder if the empeg player binary would run on one of these.. with suitable rewrites of a few kernel drivers, that is.


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#313667 - 05/09/2008 20:33 Re: Interesting embedded platform [Re: mlord]
tman
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Originally Posted By: mlord
Mmm.. I wonder if the empeg player binary would run on one of these.. with suitable rewrites of a few kernel drivers, that is.

That would be a neat project.

I think the issue when this was last looked at was the DSP. You'd lose the equaliser and anything else which the DSP does itself.

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#313671 - 06/09/2008 00:45 Re: Interesting embedded platform [Re: tman]
mlord
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Quote:
You'd lose the equaliser and anything else which the DSP does itself.

So, primarily, the EQ. Plus other lessor things like FM demux, and, for that matter, the mixer (radio, mp3, aux).

Mmm.

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#313675 - 06/09/2008 05:58 Re: Interesting embedded platform [Re: mlord]
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It has a "plain" USB 2 host/client port, but it seems that the PHY is rubbish and doesn't work, so they've stopped fitting the connector. Rev C (Nov 2008) will use a different phy and will work.

It does (as Mark pointed out) have USB OTG which will work as either host or client at super high speed.

The processor itself has a TI DSP integrated into it as well as a POWERVR graphics engine, in one word, ridiculous!

Hopefully ours will turn up sometime this week and I'll be able to have a play!

The current "user submitted projects" on their website are, well, quite frankly crap. Maybe there's scope here for something....

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#313676 - 06/09/2008 06:11 Re: Interesting embedded platform [Re: mlord]
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Originally Posted By: mlord
Mmm.. I wonder if the empeg player binary would run on one of these.. with suitable rewrites of a few kernel drivers, that is.



The Cortex parts are Thumb-2 instruction set only, no mixed mode like the ARM7 parts (this is where ARM gets confusing with their processor and architecture families having similar naming conventions).

Edit:

Originally Posted By: From the arm website
All ARMv7 architecture profiles implement Thumb® -2 technology which is built on the foundation of the ARM industry-leading Thumb code compression technology, while retaining complete code compatibility with existing ARM solutions. The ARMv7 architecture also includes the NEON™ technology extensions to increase DSP and media processing throughput by up to 400 percent, and offers improved floating point support to address the needs of next generation 3D graphics and games physics, as well as traditional embedded control applications.


So it seems that Thumb-2 implements the complete 32 bit instruction set, so maybe the binary would be compatible.



Edited by sn00p (06/09/2008 06:15)

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#313697 - 07/09/2008 17:44 Re: Interesting embedded platform [Re: sn00p]
Defiler
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I have a fairly powerful EQ lying dormant in the only place I ever listen to my empegs, so I am definitely game to try this.

Edit: Well, I just ordered one.

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#313706 - 07/09/2008 21:18 Re: Interesting embedded platform [Re: Defiler]
Shonky
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Does look quite cool to play with. I might just have to buy one myself. The video demo on Youtube was pretty impressive for such a little device.

I would have liked to see ethernet and one or two other things but that goes against the whole concept of the thing which was basically getting a chip on a board.

Might wait for November though for Rev C
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#313933 - 10/09/2008 21:12 Re: Interesting embedded platform [Re: sn00p]
siberia37
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These look good too. Lots of ports to play with and a touchscreen for $200! ARM7 processor.

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#313940 - 10/09/2008 22:33 Re: Interesting embedded platform [Re: siberia37]
tman
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Dunno. Have to be careful once these things start going past $200 because you might as well buy an Eee PC by that point and rip it apart...

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#313960 - 11/09/2008 13:23 Re: Interesting embedded platform [Re: siberia37]
sn00p
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Originally Posted By: siberia37
These look good too. Lots of ports to play with and a touchscreen for $200! ARM7 processor.


As you said though, it's an ARM7 and offers nowhere near the performance of the beagleboard and no MMU==no Linux.

Our beagleboard arrived this morning, I've had it playing the bigbuckbunny 720p trailer with few framedrops - this board is seriously impressive.

Unfortunately, sound doesn't work in the current angstrom distro - to the point that it causes kernel panics.

Fits our requirements perfectly though smile

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