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#321756 - 27/04/2009 10:23 Re: Thompsom firmware ? [Re: andy]
frog51
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Originally Posted By: andy

If you are stuck on an non-unbundled exchange then getting 21CN and a new BT DSLAM is potentially exciting, as it gives the possibility of 8MB+ which those of us stuck on such exchanges haven't had access to before.


Hmmm - this is what BT told me so I'm paying for an 8Mb line. I have the whizzy BT plate gubbins and the best connection I have ever had was 1Mb and typically I get 380k. And no amount of conversation, troubleshooting or anything has either improved my line speed or reduced my costs.

Unfortunately I have no alternative options where I live.

Oh yeah - the point of this was to say that I'm jealous of you all frown
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#321757 - 27/04/2009 10:39 Re: Thompsom firmware ? [Re: frog51]
Cris
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That is the problem with DSL, if you are stuck on a long line no amount to tweaking or profile changing will ever get you the max the product can deliver on a shorter line.

When I used to visit customer's premises it really pissed me off that I couldn't get 8Mbps so I now have 2 DSL lines linked together using the Multi-WAN function of clarkconnect and I get just over 1Mb a second transfer speeds, or somewhere around 10Mbps I think. I must admit that was a much better solution when I didn't have to pay for the 2nd broadband line smile

Having said that, there are some real good deals out there on broadband at the moment. I am using o2 and Sky at the moment and am paying about £7 less per month for them both than I was paying for one line with Zen. I have to admit they are both very good, I even get a fixed IP with o2 (£5 extra per month). And now I have my IP ranges sorted out myself I find the Multi-WAN really works well.

Cheers

Cris.

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#321761 - 27/04/2009 15:52 Re: Thompsom firmware ? [Re: Roger]
mlord
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Originally Posted By: Roger
For reference, while I go digging for those online references:

Code:
Output Power (dBm) up/down = 12.5 / 19.5
Attenuation (dB) up/down   = 16.5 / 34.0
Noise Margin (dB) up/down  = 7.0 / 7.0


7dB is a marginal noise margin. That number should be a lot larger given the low attenuation figures. Here's what our ISP's parent says about this stuff:
Originally Posted By: teksavvy.com

SN Margin (AKA Signal to Noise Margin or Signal to Noise Ratio) Relative strength of the DSL signal to Noise ratio: 6dB is the lowest dB manufactures specify for modem to be able to synch. In some instances interleaving can help raise the noise margin to an acceptable level. The higher the number the better for this measurement.
6dB or below is bad and will experience no synch or intermittent synch problems
7dB-10dB is fair but does not leave much room for variances in conditions
11dB-20dB is good with no synch problems
20dB-28dB is excellent
29dB or above is outstanding

Line Attenuation
Measure of how much the signal has degraded between the DSLAM and the modem: maximum signal loss recommendation is usually about 60dB. The lower the dB the better for this measurement.
20dB and below is outstanding
20dB-30dB is excellent
30dB-40dB is very good
40dB-50dB is good
50dB-60dB is poor and may experience connectivity issues
60dB or above is bad and will experience connectivity issues


Edited by mlord (27/04/2009 15:54)

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#321762 - 27/04/2009 16:01 Re: Thompsom firmware ? [Re: mlord]
mlord
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Originally Posted By: mlord
7dB is a marginal noise margin. That number should be a lot larger given the low attenuation figures.

In other words, that line looks *really* noisy to me. So your next step might be to disconnect all inside wiring, and have the modem directly on the telephone wire entry point (whatever it's called over there), and measure again.

That will tell you if the problem is inside (you fix it), or outside (telco fixes it).

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#321764 - 27/04/2009 16:40 Re: Thompsom firmware ? [Re: mlord]
tman
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You should be able to get the modem to tell you what the maximum attainable rate is for your line, what the current rate is and what mode it is operating in.

You had to use a service mode password for the old Speedtouch I had. I'm not sure what you'd do for your newer one.

I made a Python script to extract the data from my modem to put it into MRTG. I can see the noise margin going up during daylight hours and then down again when it starts to get dark.

Code:
Mode             ADSL2

                 Down      Up
Current Rate     644608Bps 120448Bps
Max Rate         662528Bps 120320Bps
Capacity         97%       100%
Noise Margin     8dB       6dB
Line Attenuation 48dB      28dB
Power            0dB       12dB


On ADSL1 I was at ~3Mbps but its gone up to ~5Mbps by switching to ADSL2.

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#321768 - 27/04/2009 17:42 Re: Thompsom firmware ? [Re: tman]
andym
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I've been having a PM conversation with Cris about my ADSL connection. Since the Beeb had launched their HD content on iPlayer is was a little miffed that I couldn't watch it.

Originally my modem was connected in the study on the end of the extension. It's connection stats looked like this:

Uptime: 0 days, 4:01:05
DSL Type: G.992.1 annex A
Bandwidth (Up/Down) [kbps/kbps]: 640 / 1,792
Data Transferred (Sent/Received) [kB/kB]: 0.00 / 2.00
Output Power (Up/Down) [dBm]: 12.0 / 17.5
Line Attenuation (Up/Down) [dB]: 29.0 / 47.0
SN Margin (Up/Down) [dB]: 13.0 / 11.5
Vendor ID (Local/Remote): TMMB / GSPN
Loss of Framing (Local/Remote): 0 / 0
Loss of Signal (Local/Remote): 0 / 0
Loss of Power (Local/Remote): 0 / 0
Loss of Link (Remote): 0
Error Seconds (Local/Remote): 459 / 0
FEC Errors (Up/Down): 0 / 1,220,440
CRC Errors (Up/Down): 0 / 22,860
HEC Errors (Up/Down): 0 / 19,335

Following Cris' advice I moved the modem downstairs, put it on a 3 meter extension and disconnected the circuit upstairs. Now the stats look like this:

Uptime: 1 day, 1:21:04
DSL Type: G.992.1 annex A
Bandwidth (Up/Down) [kbps/kbps]: 640 / 4.640
Data Transferred (Sent/Received) [kB/kB]: 0,00 / 0,00
Output Power (Up/Down) [dBm]: 11,5 / 19,5
Line Attenuation (Up/Down) [dB]: 27,0 / 46,0
SN Margin (Up/Down) [dB]: 14,0 / 11,5
Vendor ID (Local/Remote): TMMB / GSPN
Loss of Framing (Local/Remote): 0 / 0
Loss of Signal (Local/Remote): 0 / 0
Loss of Power (Local/Remote): 0 / 0
Loss of Link (Remote): 0
Error Seconds (Local/Remote): 0 / 0
FEC Errors (Up/Down): 95 / 21.192
CRC Errors (Up/Down): 95 / 33
HEC Errors (Up/Down): 45 / 28

As you can see from the figures, not much is changing, other than a 'huge' jump in line speed (IMHO). You should definitely check your extension wiring Roger.
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#321769 - 27/04/2009 18:12 Re: Thompsom firmware ? [Re: mlord]
andy
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My line is rarely above 6dB SNR:



(the flat line it because it took me a while to remember I needed to knock up a new expect/sed/grep script for my new router)

Despite that I manage a 8mb sync most of the time and don't get any noticeable line drops.
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#321774 - 27/04/2009 19:24 Re: Thompsom firmware ? [Re: mlord]
Cris
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Originally Posted By: mlord

In other words, that line looks *really* noisy to me. So your next step might be to disconnect all inside wiring, and have the modem directly on the telephone wire entry point (whatever it's called over there), and measure again.


Here in the UK, on BT Wholesale DSLAM's on the upto 8Mbps product a low SnR figure is actually a good thing, I must admit I don't fully understand the reasons for this but the theory is that if a line is good quality, ie stable then the noise margin can be set low to allow more room on the frequencies for data and less room for errors. It's the exact opposite to what you'd think but it does seem to work pretty well.

On the old upto 2Mbps BT product it was the other way around, and was much easier to fault if you did have a line fault to chase. Them were the days smile

As AndyM's results show it's well worth looking at your wiring if you have stability problems. The wiring beyond the master socket causes an imbalance in the circuit which can cause all sorts of issues. So cutting it out or isolating it with one of the filters I linked to can only be a good thing.

Now, if I hook my Speedtouch up direct to the cable coming out of the ground at the front of my house with a couple of croc clips etc... I can get 7Mbps sync, but I don't think that set up would last too long around here smile

Cheers

Cris.

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#321776 - 27/04/2009 19:28 Re: Thompsom firmware ? [Re: andym]
Cris
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Originally Posted By: andym

As you can see from the figures, not much is changing, other than a 'huge' jump in line speed (IMHO).


I would leave that set up alone now Andy, I bet in a few days you will see the SnR figure changing and your downstream increase a little more.

Also interesting to see your SP is using the premium broadband offering with the slightly higher upstream, usually only business lines get that, and then at a premium.

Cheers

Cris.

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#321785 - 27/04/2009 20:35 Re: Thompsom firmware ? [Re: Cris]
mlord
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Originally Posted By: Cris
Here in the UK, on BT Wholesale DSLAM's on the upto 8Mbps product a low SnR figure is actually a good thing

Absolutely, to a point that is. It's a sign of a properly optimized connection, so long as the SNR target isn't so low that the line suffers from frequent loss of sync.

But with the 7dB SNR above, the indication is that the line is already close to maxed out for speed. Which is rather curious, given the not-very-high attenuation figures. So there must be some extraneous noise on the line somewhere causing this.

Or so I think. smile

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#321787 - 27/04/2009 20:45 Re: Thompsom firmware ? [Re: mlord]
tman
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Originally Posted By: mlord
But with the 7dB SNR above, the indication is that the line is already close to maxed out for speed. Which is rather curious, given the not-very-high attenuation figures. So there must be some extraneous noise on the line somewhere causing this.

You need to get your modem to report what channels are actually available. It may be that there aren't many channels which are usable but the ones that are okay do have a good SNR.

Somebody I know has a lower attenuation and a higher noise margin than me but overall they get a lower speed because of this.

Mine:
Code:
  0.00   0.00   8.15   8.67   8.81   8.17   8.05   7.91 %  32~ 39
  7.66   7.41   7.31   7.31   7.66   6.92   7.79   7.91 %  40~ 47
  7.91   7.80   7.56   8.17   8.17   7.31   7.80   8.41 %  48~ 55
  7.80   7.91   7.31   7.56   7.91   7.91   8.17   8.67 %  56~ 63
  8.17   8.41   7.91   7.91   8.17   8.17   7.91   8.31 %  64~ 71
  7.66   7.91   7.66   7.91   7.80   8.67   7.91   8.31 %  72~ 79
  8.31   8.31   7.56   0.00   8.31   8.05   7.80   7.80 %  80~ 87
  7.80   7.80   8.05   8.05   8.05   8.41   7.91   7.66 %  88~ 95
  7.91   7.80   8.17   7.66   7.91   7.91   7.91   8.41 %  96~103
  7.31   8.17   8.17   8.17   7.80   8.31   8.05   7.66 % 104~111
  7.66   8.31   7.91   7.55   8.05   7.79   8.05   7.66 % 112~119
  7.91   7.55   7.91   7.91   8.05   7.55   7.41   7.31 % 120~127
  7.05   7.65   7.55   7.55   7.91   0.00   8.05   7.79 % 128~135
  8.05   8.05   9.30   8.41   9.80   8.31   7.41   7.91 % 136~143
  8.91   7.91   0.00   0.00   7.79   8.31   9.16   8.67 % 144~151
  0.00   8.31   9.16   7.79   6.91   6.65   7.91   8.05 % 152~159
  8.40   0.00   7.55   8.31   8.54   0.00   8.17   0.00 % 160~167
  0.00   6.65   8.31   8.91   7.55   0.00   6.40   0.00 % 168~175
  7.31   0.00   6.03   7.05   7.31   6.40   6.14   8.31 % 176~183
  0.00   8.17   5.15   9.92   0.00  10.07   9.66   8.54 % 184~191
  0.00   8.41   0.00   7.91   7.66   8.05   8.17   0.00 % 192~199
  0.00   0.00   0.00   5.39   0.00   0.00   4.54   0.00 % 200~207
  0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00 % 208~215
  0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00 % 216~223
  0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00 % 224~231
  0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   7.88 % 232~239
  0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00 % 240~247
  0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00 % 248~255


Theirs:
Code:
 0.00   0.00   0.00  12.26  12.42  12.03  12.69  11.92 %  32~ 39
 12.04  12.04  12.17  12.17  12.28  12.04  11.78  12.04 %  40~ 47
 12.04  12.04  11.16  12.28  11.92  12.04  12.04  11.92 %  48~ 55
 12.04  11.16  11.78  11.78  12.04  12.04  11.67  11.43 %  56~ 63
  8.42  11.43  11.78  12.04  11.67  12.04  12.04   0.00 %  64~ 71
 12.04  11.78  12.17  11.78  12.04  12.04  11.29  11.78 %  72~ 79
 12.04  12.04  11.92  12.17  12.28  11.53  12.69  11.92 %  80~ 87
 11.53  12.42  12.17  11.92  11.67  12.17  11.67  11.92 %  88~ 95
 11.92  11.92  11.67  11.67  11.92  12.42  11.29  12.42 %  96~103
 12.04  11.67  11.92  10.93  12.04  11.78  11.78  12.04 % 104~111
 12.04  12.04  11.16  11.43  11.53  11.67  12.28  12.04 % 112~119
 10.93  12.04  12.04  11.78  11.67  11.67  12.04  11.78 % 120~127
 12.42   0.00  12.03  12.17  12.04   0.00  12.04  11.29 % 128~135
 11.78  11.78  11.78  11.78  12.55  12.28  11.29  11.78 % 136~143
  0.00  12.42   0.00   0.00   0.00  12.69   0.00  12.17 % 144~151
  0.00  11.53   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00  11.29  11.43 % 152~159
  0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00 % 160~167
 12.28   0.00  12.03   0.00  12.17   0.00  11.53   0.00 % 168~175
 11.78   0.00   0.00  12.03  12.28  10.93  12.03   0.00 % 176~183
  0.00  12.28   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00  10.93 % 184~191
  0.00  11.16   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00 % 192~199
  0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00 % 200~207
  0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00 % 208~215
  0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00 % 216~223
  0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00 % 224~231
  0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00 % 232~239
  0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00 % 240~247
  0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00 % 248~255


The 32-143 range and 208-255 range is roughly the same for the both of us. Where it differs significantly is the 144-207 range above. I've got a lower signal quality but more channels are available.

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#321794 - 28/04/2009 03:37 Re: Thompsom firmware ? [Re: mlord]
Roger
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Originally Posted By: mlord
So there must be some extraneous noise on the line somewhere causing this.


Well, when I get a chance, I'll try to rule out internal noise by disconnecting everything else inside the house.

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#321807 - 28/04/2009 20:12 Re: Thompsom firmware ? [Re: andy]
andy
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Originally Posted By: andy
My line is rarely above 6dB SNR:



I note with interest however that my Thomson (data after the flat line) isn't showing the regular night time drops to 3dB that my Netgear did. I'm wondering of this is due to it measuring things differently or whether it is doing something to improve the SNR ?
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#321808 - 28/04/2009 20:19 Re: Thompsom firmware ? [Re: andy]
mlord
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That's why we like SpeedTouch units -- they cope better with tight SNR conditions. Dunno what they do differently, but they do it very well. smile

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#321816 - 29/04/2009 06:14 Re: Thompsom firmware ? [Re: mlord]
Cris
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Posts: 1904
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Like Mark says they just seem better. What is extra special about them is that they have this effect whatever the DSLAM manufacturer is, for a long time we observed that a manufacturers own chipset out performed any other when paired with a matching DSLAM chipset, but the SpeedTouch's seem to work with everything pretty good.

The SnR figure is generated during the negotiations between the modem and router, you see wildly different figures of both line loss and SnR just by swapping modems, so it seems to be heavily dependant on the combination used. What I can tell you for fact is that the speedtouch figures almost always matched the line loss figures generated by my independent tester which could measure loss over a range of frequencies independent of the DSLAM. This is one reason why I have such faith in these modems. I still think the 546 is the best of the bunch smile

The really strange thing is that lots of Cisco routers also have the same chipset (old Alcatel?) as the Speedtouch, but they perform terribly on even marginal lines. So I think there is a lot done in the firmware version they are running.

Cheers

Cris.

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#321817 - 29/04/2009 06:43 Re: Thompsom firmware ? [Re: Cris]
andy
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Originally Posted By: Cris

The really strange thing is that lots of Cisco routers also have the same chipset (old Alcatel?) as the Speedtouch, but they perform terribly on even marginal lines. So I think there is a lot done in the firmware version they are running.

Most of the current Speedtouch devices appear to use Broadcom chipsets. I note that my DSLAM is an Alcatel one.
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#321820 - 29/04/2009 10:10 Re: Thompsom firmware ? [Re: Cris]
mlord
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Originally Posted By: Cris
I still think the 546 is the best of the bunch smile

While I'm still rather fond of our 546 from years ago, it is now resting in its orginal shipping box, waiting for me to put it up for resale.

The brand new 516v6 we installed a month ago just blows it away, with a very consistent +5dB SNR over the old unit. Unbelievable.

Cheers

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#321822 - 29/04/2009 12:30 Re: Thompsom firmware ? [Re: mlord]
Cris
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Loc: Leeds, UK
Originally Posted By: mlord

The brand new 516v6 we installed a month ago just blows it away, with a very consistent +5dB SNR over the old unit. Unbelievable.


Hmm good tip, I'll pick one of those up smile

Cheers

Cris.

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#321830 - 29/04/2009 16:41 Re: Thompsom firmware ? [Re: Cris]
mlord
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Note that I've got firmware 7.4.3.2 installed on the 516v6. Before the firmware update, it behaved much the same as the old 546.

The 516v6 units can be picked up here for as little as CDN$50 or so. Dunno about over there, but prices here vary widely from shop to shop.

Cheers


Edited by mlord (29/04/2009 16:43)

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#326797 - 19/10/2009 01:00 Re: Thompsom firmware ? [Re: DWallach]
DWallach
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Dragging up an old thread again... Remember my Netgear DGN2000? The box I loved because it consolidated a decent 802.11b/g/n base station, four port router, firewall, and DSL modem in a single box?

The first one lasted roughly six months, then the hard ports died. They RMA'ed it and sent me a brand new one. Now, again roughly six months later, the same damn problem has happened again. Two of the hard ports are dead, but the wireless is still working.

My experience with Netgear tech support wasn't nearly as good as it was six months ago. Since I'm now out of my original one year warranty, they're vaguely unwilling to help me. (I suggested that they replace my DGN2000 with the newer DGND3300 in the hopes that it doesn't share the thermal engineering defects of the DGN2000.) The tech said I had to speak with "customer support" so I called that next and got voicemail for the RMA department ("the voicemail box is full").

I'll try again tomorrow, but I'm dubious about whether Netgear is going to own up to their shoddy design and offer an out-of-warranty replacement.

As such, it's time to hit up the gallery for advice. I'd very much like to continue with an all-in-one-box solution. I could spend another $140 on the Netgear DGND3300 (basically adding simultaneous dual-band), which also apparently runs Linux and is quite tweakable on the inside (Bruce Perens has a nice review on Amazon). Still, I've got more than a bit of hesitation to buy yet another Netgear product.

Any suggestions on alternatives, perhaps not from the big-name vendors? I'd happily spend more on a box that was better engineered.

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#326802 - 19/10/2009 06:11 Re: Thompsom firmware ? [Re: DWallach]
Roger
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Originally Posted By: DWallach
Dragging up an old thread again...


Heh. I was about to drag this thread up again, myself. I've given up on my Thomson -- my PS3 could never connect to the PlayStation Network. It could connect to the Internet just fine, just not to PSN. The Thomson kept dropping the WAN connection as well.

So, I've gone back to the Zyxel P-660HW-T1 that was giving me setup grief previously. Turns out that my problems with setting up port forwarding were because the port forward (bizarrely) doesn't automatically open a hole in the firewall. The PS3/PSN connection seems rock-solid now, though.

Where I'm having problems is that I can't get the WiFi working properly -- it doesn't want to play nice when it's not also doing DHCP server service, so I'm considering using a separate access point, although I'm going to poke around with the configuration a bit more.

But, back to Dan's point: I was looking around for a potential replacement and saw negative stories about Netgear's customer support, and Linksys reliability, etc. I figure that it's a self-selection thing: happy people don't bother writing reviews, but I wasn't willing to drop £80 on a new router and then discover that it didn't work (for my defined value of "work").

In short: sorry, I have no idea. If I had a couple of grand, I'd get something from Cisco. I'd even consider separate DSL modem, router and access point.
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#326803 - 19/10/2009 06:21 Re: Thompsom firmware ? [Re: Roger]
andy
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I feel your pain, as I've moaned about elsewhere on here I've had an awful experience with sub £200 routers recently. I'm still not very happy with the Draytek I ended up with.

I'd go with a separate WAP/modem/router (with the router being something Linux/BSD based), but even that is problematic. I tried a few affordable WAPs out and they all failed to cope in some way with dealing with my set of wifi clients:

2 x iPhone 3G
1 x Mac mini
2 x PC laptop
1 x Squeezebox Receiver
2 x Squeezebox Boom
1 x Squeezebox Controller

Some of them just failed to deal with that mixture of clients completely (randomly dropping them off the network), some failed to pass DHCP messages, some would lock up randomly. The Draytek is at least coping with the wifi side of things, now that I've handed the DHCP duties to the Linux server (the Draytek couldn't cope with being a DHCP server for some reason).
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#326809 - 19/10/2009 11:53 Re: Thompsom firmware ? [Re: andy]
wfaulk
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Loc: Raleigh, NC US
I've been totally happy with my Buffalo WHR-HP-G54 running Tomato. The only problem with it is that it doesn't support 802.11n, and nor do any Tomato-supported routers. I'm thinking about picking up a separate 802.11n access point.
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#326816 - 19/10/2009 15:14 Re: Thompsom firmware ? [Re: wfaulk]
matthew_k
pooh-bah

Registered: 12/02/2002
Posts: 2298
Loc: Berkeley, California
Quote:
I'm thinking about picking up a separate 802.11n access point.

That's what I did, it works well except the cheap TrendNet crashes after a few GB of time machine backups, even though it's not routing anything. It's probably overheating and needs to be moved somewhere with better circulation, but it doesn't seem like that should be the issue.

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#326827 - 19/10/2009 22:38 Re: Thompsom firmware ? [Re: matthew_k]
hybrid8
carpal tunnel

Registered: 12/11/2001
Posts: 7738
Loc: Toronto, CANADA
My dual-band Time Capsule (Airport Extreme) is handling my wireless clients without an issue.

1 MacBook Pro n 5GHz
1 PowerBook g
1 Mac mini g
1 iPod Touch g
1 Wii g
2 Squeezebox 3 (Classic) g

Before my wife took over using my PowerBook, it was also supporting her Windows POS Acer Notebook (802.11g).

I'm currently using my WRT54G with Tomato as a router in front of the Time Capsule and behind a cable modem. I'd be using the Time Capsule to route instead if it weren't for Tomato's excellent bandwidth monitor and to a lesser extent, its QoS (though I didn't have a problem with TC in this regard).
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Twisted Melon : Fine Mac OS Software

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#326832 - 20/10/2009 00:34 Re: Thompsom firmware ? [Re: hybrid8]
gbeer
carpal tunnel

Registered: 17/12/2000
Posts: 2665
Loc: Manteca, California
I've been using the DIR-655 for about 3 weeks now. It was a bit wonky until I turned off QOS, WISH, Advanced DNS, and SecureSpot. That was 10 days ago and it's been solid since.

Maybe some of those things have value but I wasn't able to see it.

Currently wired; colorHP, bw laser, Wind Nettop Ubuntu,S3 tivo, Directv HR23 DVR, 1 PC,

Wireless; 2 pc laptops, 1 MBP, iPod Touch, iPhone, and occasionally the odd Empeg.

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#326843 - 20/10/2009 09:01 Re: Thompsom firmware ? [Re: hybrid8]
Roger
carpal tunnel

Registered: 18/01/2000
Posts: 5683
Loc: London, UK
Originally Posted By: hybrid8
I'm currently using my WRT54G with Tomato as a router in front of the Time Capsule and behind a cable modem.


I've just ordered a WRT54GL, onto which I'll install Tomato. I'll then put my old, non-sucky Zyxel DSL modem into bridge mode and run everything that way.

At the moment, my home internet is down, and I've got a bruised foot from where I kicked the crap out of the Zyxel 660, so I'm hoping it turns up next-day.
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#326952 - 22/10/2009 02:37 Re: Thompsom firmware ? [Re: Roger]
DWallach
carpal tunnel

Registered: 30/04/2000
Posts: 3810
It appears that the polite but sternly worded email I sent to [email protected] actually did the trick. They're now sending me a DGND3300, gratis, and I'll be sending back the old DGN2000.

If it burns out in another six months, I'll deal with it then. Hopefully by then other vendors will have all-in-one boxes that compete with Netgear's offering.

Oh, and my grumbling on Twitter now has me followed by the "Netgear" user. I'm not sure whether I like this or not.

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#326958 - 22/10/2009 10:57 Re: Thompsom firmware ? [Re: DWallach]
mlord
carpal tunnel

Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14496
Loc: Canada
I always, *always*, mount these gadgets on the wall, vertically. For better airflow. Usually sideways, on the wall.

Perhaps that's why they never die here at the rates they seem to for other people?

Cheers

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#326959 - 22/10/2009 11:16 Re: Thompsom firmware ? [Re: Roger]
Roger
carpal tunnel

Registered: 18/01/2000
Posts: 5683
Loc: London, UK
Originally Posted By: Roger
I'll then put my old, non-sucky Zyxel DSL modem into bridge mode and run everything that way.


Turns out that it doesn't actually do bridged mode. It might not even do half-bridge mode. Either way, the WRT54GL is working fine as a WAP54GL with the stock firmware, so I'll leave it like that for the time-being. Draytek do an ADSL Ethernet Modem (a PPPoA/PPPoE bridge). I might grab one next month.
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