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#327169 - 28/10/2009 20:35 Audible GSM noise
Liufeng
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Registered: 14/09/1999
Posts: 149
Loc: Alaska
For a year I've had a Nokia E71 operating on AT&Ts GSM network. And I've been plagued by noise coming from other devices when my cell phone is close to the other devices. Is there anything to be done about this besides just moving the cell phone to the other side of the room? Much thanks, I wasn't able to find to much about this on Google, which surprises me because this must be a common issue.
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#327170 - 28/10/2009 20:46 Re: Audible GSM noise [Re: Liufeng]
tman
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Registered: 24/12/2001
Posts: 5528
Not really. Better shielding on the wires and enclosure.

The blipblipblip noises from a GSM phone are the TDMA packets being sent which have a 4.615ms gap between packets. This causes a 0.5W 217Hz signal to be induced into any nearby wires like your speaker cables.

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#327171 - 28/10/2009 21:25 Re: Audible GSM noise [Re: tman]
tfabris
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Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31597
Loc: Seattle, WA
I've noticed it mostly when I have the phone next to the amplification device rather than the cables.

For example, if someone puts their phone near my empeg, its speakers, or the wires, no problem. But as soon as they put their phone in a backpack in my car's trunk where the amps are, we get the noise.

The only way to prevent it would be to figure out a way to improve the RF-shielding around the amplification device that's susceptible to the interference. (RF-shielding the phone would work too, but would make it so that you can't receive calls.)
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#327176 - 29/10/2009 00:07 Re: Audible GSM noise [Re: tfabris]
gbeer
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Registered: 17/12/2000
Posts: 2665
Loc: Manteca, California
I can attest that cubicle walls provide no isolation at all.
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#327191 - 29/10/2009 12:14 Re: Audible GSM noise [Re: tfabris]
maczrool
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Registered: 13/01/2002
Posts: 1649
Loc: Louisiana, USA
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I've noticed it mostly when I have the phone next to the amplification device rather than the cables.


I'd have to agree with you there. In one of our projects we had an audio amplifier IC that when powered would emit a terrible GSM buzz whenever a transmitting phone was within 6 feet of the PCB. But we redesigned it to use a more noise immune amp and now do not exprience the problem.

It has a lot to do with the topology of the amplifer as well as the signal routing. A differential signal all the way to the transistors, fets, ICs etc will help immensely. In our case we are using a 1 watt digital amplifer with single-ended connection but were using a BTL (bridge tied load) device.

Stu
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#327271 - 02/11/2009 04:11 Re: Audible GSM noise [Re: maczrool]
altman
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Registered: 19/05/1999
Posts: 3457
Loc: Palo Alto, CA
You'll also do well by simply adding RF shunt caps around your sensitive nodes. Providing a path for the RF energy to ground - a 27pF 0402 cap is perfect for low-band GSM - can be a very simple solution to the problem.

Now imagine doing this where the transmitter and antenna are millimeters away and not moving smile

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