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#359627 - 07/09/2013 22:03 Wireless fax line?
Dignan
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Registered: 08/03/2000
Posts: 12338
Loc: Sterling, VA
I'm helping out a church with some technology issues. As of last week they had a threshold with two cables running across it: a phone cord and an ethernet cable.

Last week I re-ran the ethernet cable (with MUCH difficulty) and it looks much better now. However, the phone cord runs a different path and cannot be run the same way. There really aren't any options to run this cord through the walls or any other direction across the room, and they need it to get from the phone jack to their copier so they can use it as a fax.

I'm worried about using those powerline phone jacks because this church has old wiring and I don't think it would work well. Are there any other options?
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#359628 - 07/09/2013 22:34 Re: Wireless fax line? [Re: Dignan]
K447
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Registered: 29/05/2002
Posts: 798
Loc: near Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Well, you can TRY the powerline method. If it works, good. Old wiring sometimes is still OK.

One would need to read the powerline device specifications carefully as facsimile signals use a larger bandwidth that typical voice quality requires.

Perhaps the phone wiring can be re-routed via the exterior of the building to get where it needs to go?

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#359629 - 07/09/2013 22:54 Re: Wireless fax line? [Re: Dignan]
tfabris
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Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31597
Loc: Seattle, WA
If the ethernet connection isn't using all four pairs, you could use an adapter plug at both ends to steal a pair on the existing ethernet run.

http://www.amazon.com/RJ45-Secondary-Splitter-Telephone-Adapter/dp/B004V7LSAO
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#359631 - 08/09/2013 02:17 Re: Wireless fax line? [Re: tfabris]
K447
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Loc: near Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Originally Posted By: tfabris
If the ethernet connection isn't using all four pairs, you could use an adapter plug at both ends to steal a pair on the existing ethernet run.

http://www.amazon.com/RJ45-Secondary-Splitter-Telephone-Adapter/dp/B004V7LSAO
That one seems to have an odd shaped socket.

This one seems more standard.

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#359632 - 08/09/2013 12:25 Re: Wireless fax line? [Re: K447]
mlord
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Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14493
Loc: Canada
Either one will work just fine. RJ45 sockets accept RJ11 plugs, no problem. The second *first* one appears to have a hardwired RJ11 plug, which won't work in this situation (needs fully-wired RJ45 plug).


Edited by mlord (08/09/2013 16:36)

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#359633 - 08/09/2013 14:11 Re: Wireless fax line? [Re: mlord]
K447
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Registered: 29/05/2002
Posts: 798
Loc: near Toronto, Ontario, Canada


The left socket in this product this product appears to have the retention clip on the side, not opposite the pins. So not a standard RJ45 or RJ11.

This This is the device I linked to, which seems to match the requirements.



Edited by K447 (08/09/2013 14:14)

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#359634 - 08/09/2013 14:28 Re: Wireless fax line? [Re: K447]
Dignan
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Registered: 08/03/2000
Posts: 12338
Loc: Sterling, VA
Thanks guys.

I'm not sure this is going to be possible. The long ethernet run that I made connects to switches. The far switch handles the copier and a wireless access point. Would not all pairs really be necessary?
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#359635 - 08/09/2013 14:36 Re: Wireless fax line? [Re: Dignan]
peter
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Registered: 13/07/2000
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10Mbit and 100Mbit Ethernet use two pairs; Gbit Ethernet uses four. Almost all Gbit hardware will fall back to 100Mbit if needed, so unless the church needs tons of bandwidth between those two switches, you would be OK stealing two of the pairs for voice.

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#359636 - 08/09/2013 16:42 Re: Wireless fax line? [Re: K447]
Roger
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Registered: 18/01/2000
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Loc: London, UK
Originally Posted By: K447
this product appears to have the retention clip on the side, not opposite the pins. So not a standard RJ45 or RJ11.


BS 6312 or, as we refer to it in the UK -- a telephone plug.
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#359637 - 08/09/2013 16:43 Re: Wireless fax line? [Re: Dignan]
Roger
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Registered: 18/01/2000
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Loc: London, UK
Originally Posted By: Dignan
so they can use it as a fax


How quaint wink
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#359639 - 08/09/2013 19:03 Re: Wireless fax line? [Re: Roger]
Cris
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Registered: 06/02/2002
Posts: 1904
Loc: Leeds, UK
Does God not do emails then ???

Cheers

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#359640 - 08/09/2013 19:12 Re: Wireless fax line? [Re: Roger]
Dignan
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Registered: 08/03/2000
Posts: 12338
Loc: Sterling, VA
Originally Posted By: Roger
Originally Posted By: Dignan
so they can use it as a fax

How quaint wink

Agreed. Sadly, faxing is apparently still a necessity in this world because not everyone has caught up. It baffles me that in this day and age, people still pay $20 a month for a second phone line in their homes for faxing.

So is everyone agreed that the first link K447 posted is the correct adapter to get?
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#359642 - 08/09/2013 20:24 Re: Wireless fax line? [Re: Dignan]
mlord
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Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14493
Loc: Canada

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#359647 - 09/09/2013 15:12 Re: Wireless fax line? [Re: mlord]
tfabris
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Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31597
Loc: Seattle, WA
Thanks guys, for noticing the mistake I made when I googled the splitter. You're right, the one I linked was not a standard plug type.
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