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#93049 - 11/05/2002 04:57 The Science Of Music Orginization
JeepBastard
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Registered: 08/09/1999
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Loc: Brooklyn
The year is now 2002. What are the latest theories on the organization of mp3 files. I am referring to on your local hard drive as well as on the EMPEG.

Do you upload all the songs in a unfiled way, and then assemble playlists in Emplode or it's equivelant?

I have spent at least 2 days of my life actually just filling in ID3v2 Tags. I use Tag&Rename, however unless you ripped the whole album from CD, it'd difficult to get any program to ID a mp3 automatically.

It's such a deep topic someone could do a white paper on it.
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#93050 - 11/05/2002 09:16 Re: The Science Of Music Orginization [Re: JeepBastard]
tfabris
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It's such a deep topic someone could do a white paper on it.

Mine is here.
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#93051 - 11/05/2002 16:24 Re: The Science Of Music Orginization [Re: JeepBastard]
Daria
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Registered: 24/01/2002
Posts: 3937
Loc: Providence, RI
In reply to:

What are the latest theories on the organization of mp3 files. I am referring to on your local hard drive as well as on the EMPEG.




Almost everything I have is complete albums. Thus I have a directory heirarchy by album. There's an augmented cddb format file in each directory describing all the tracks. Tags and a SQL database are populated from those. For partial albums, no problem: only files which exist are indexed or tagged. The files all come from freedb and are checked for sanity before being used. Files are created by hand for things they don't have.

My wife hates me, first for "full albums only" and second for being so pedantic about organization. That's why she has an empeg, and I have an empeg.

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#93052 - 11/05/2002 17:53 Re: The Science Of Music Orginization [Re: JeepBastard]
Crisplinen
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Registered: 15/01/2002
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#93053 - 12/05/2002 06:42 Re: The Science Of Music Orginization [Re: Daria]
JeepBastard
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Registered: 08/09/1999
Posts: 364
Loc: Brooklyn
Yes. I rarely have the full album unless it's a compliation. I only keep the tracks that I actually like and discard the rest of the album. Of course that can be a pain if a song from an album grows on your later, but 90% of the time I know if a song is going to do that or not.

One of the problems I have is that because I don't collect full albums, or rip the entire album if it's in my possession, is that I can use an automated progam to pull the IDv3 tags. I own the program Tag&Rename but it only will pull the information for an entire album, not an individual song.

The Soup Views have made everyones life easier in terms of organization and for making playlists on the fly, but it has increased the amount of time spent on getting IDV3 Tags corect! I going to tell you, you don't know what repetive motion is until you have tried to fill out IDv3 tags in a lot of mp3's even when using a program.

There really is a need for a program that will go thru every indiviual song and pull the complete info out of the various music databases and assemble a idv3 tag for your songs. Until that day, another piece is missing from my wishlist.
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#93054 - 13/05/2002 13:02 Re: The Science Of Music Orginization [Re: JeepBastard]
csf
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Registered: 08/04/2002
Posts: 105
Loc: Charlotte, NC
Mine is getting too big, so I am doing more than just the artist and then sub-dirs for their albums.

I have a directory are:
1. oldies (60's and earlier)
2. 70's
3. 80's
4. Current tunes (includes artists that transcend decades - aerosmith)
5. Rap
6. Country
7. Vocal
8. Compilation Albums and Soundtracks
9. Test Tracks (treble, bass, pink, white noise, etc.)
10. Random tunes, unattached stuff, etc.
11. Favorite Albums and Playlists (at the end so it's easier to get to, includes stuff from other directories)

If I have a directory get too big, like my current tunes directory, then I'll split it up into alphabetical order (A-M, N-Z). I just don't like having too many subdirectories.
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#93055 - 13/05/2002 14:48 Re: The Science Of Music Orginization [Re: csf]
JeepBastard
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Registered: 08/09/1999
Posts: 364
Loc: Brooklyn
Yes.. getting the dates.. or at least the decade helps a lot in organization.
Sometimes you want rap or rock.. but nothing before below a certain date.

And since you ahve to look up and manual enter than information by hand at the moment, it'd really difficult.
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#93056 - 13/05/2002 15:09 Re: The Science Of Music Orginization [Re: tfabris]
elvis
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Registered: 18/01/2002
Posts: 270
Loc: Arizona USA
Tony, you must be some kind of bot. You put so much work (posts etc) into this site (or work related to it). I'm glad you're here to do it.
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#93057 - 13/05/2002 15:52 Re: The Science Of Music Orginization [Re: JeepBastard]
Ralyon
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Registered: 13/04/2002
Posts: 59
Loc: Florida, USA
I know its not the best program for ripping, but Musicmatch has the ability to select multiple nonrelated mp3s, and search for the info for each individual mp3 including track, artist, album, genre and year info all at the same time. You can also edit thier fields before you accept it. I've found it very useful.

Ralyon
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#93058 - 13/05/2002 21:08 Re: The Science Of Music Orginization [Re: Ralyon]
rockstar
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Registered: 24/11/2000
Posts: 316
so far i do it like this

genre
artist
album
track# - name.mp3


the main problem i have found with this method is that some of my favourite artists have multiple genre albums.. i.e. David bowie.. some bowie is pop, some is rock, some is industrial.. for me, i just remember that all my bowie is in the industrial folder..

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#93059 - 13/05/2002 21:36 Re: The Science Of Music Orginization [Re: rockstar]
ninti
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Registered: 28/12/2001
Posts: 868
Loc: Los Angeles
> the main problem i have found with this method is that some of my favourite artists have multiple genre albums.. i.e. David bowie.. some bowie is pop, some is rock, some is industrial.. for me, i just remember that all my bowie is in the industrial folder..

Yeah, that is a tough problem. I do genre/artist-album/artist-tracknum-songname.mp3, and I have a tough time with genre spanning artists. I generally put them in the genre that they were first known for, and since my Classic Rock genre includes everything made in the 60s or 70s, that's where he goes, even his Tin Machine stuff.

I do make exceptions. Hole's excellent and very hard 'Pretty on The Inside' album is in my Punk section, but I just couldn't get myself to put her later crap in there.
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#93060 - 14/05/2002 05:26 Re: The Science Of Music Orginization *DELETED* [Re: rockstar]
Ralyon
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Registered: 13/04/2002
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Loc: Florida, USA
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#93061 - 14/05/2002 05:29 Re: The Science Of Music Orginization [Re: Ralyon]
Ralyon
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Registered: 13/04/2002
Posts: 59
Loc: Florida, USA
Hey, what happened to my attachments?

Ralyon

Edit: I removed the above messages and reposted them with working attachments below.


Edited by Ralyon (14/05/2002 06:48)
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#93062 - 14/05/2002 05:52 Re: The Science Of Music Orginization [Re: Ralyon]
Roger
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Too big?
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#93063 - 14/05/2002 06:42 Re: The Science Of Music Orginization [Re: Roger]
Ralyon
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Registered: 13/04/2002
Posts: 59
Loc: Florida, USA
Yes they were, , thanks. I'll remove the others and post them again.

Ralyon
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#93064 - 14/05/2002 06:43 Re: The Science Of Music Orginization [Re: rockstar]
Ralyon
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Registered: 13/04/2002
Posts: 59
Loc: Florida, USA
Sorry, I didn't mean that as an order of information. It will download the info into the ID3 as shown in the attachment.

Ralyon


Attachments
92162-Lookup.jpg (115 downloads)

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#93065 - 14/05/2002 06:46 Re: The Science Of Music Orginization [Re: rockstar]
Ralyon
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Registered: 13/04/2002
Posts: 59
Loc: Florida, USA
Then you can rename the files as shown in this attachment. You can put the feilds in any order you want.

Oh just one thing I forgot to mention, you need a license to access this (which I did pay for) but I think it is worth it and very helpful.

Ralyon


Attachments
92163-Rename.jpg (107 downloads)

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#93066 - 14/05/2002 08:01 Re: The Science Of Music Orginization [Re: JeepBastard]
frog51
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Registered: 09/08/2000
Posts: 2091
Loc: Edinburgh, Scotland
I've only got about 5000 tracks on the empeg and my home music PC at the moment and for that many it's a piece of cake to just do:

Artist
Album

for directory structure on the PC.

On the empeg, I have an "all artists" playlist, then a-c, d-f etc., then "Heavy", "compilations", "Covers", "soundtracks", "songs for t'wife" etc

It's all accessible with only a few spins of the knob - just the way we like it
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#93067 - 14/05/2002 08:12 Re: The Science Of Music Orginization [Re: rockstar]
SE_Sport_Driver
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Registered: 05/01/2001
Posts: 4903
Loc: Detroit, MI USA
Rockstar - some Bowie is Classic Rock too! I have the same problem with Bowie..

Having 10,000 tracks, I go with:

Artists-
A-B
Basement Jaxx
-Root
track1
track2....
C-D

Genres-
Classic Rock
Pop

But my "genre's" folders only include songs by artists that don't have at least 3 songs on my player. Once I have 3 songs by an artist (this includes guest appearances, remixes etc), they "graduate" to the artist folder..
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